Monday, August 24, 2026

The Dan Hampton Effect, Howie Long, and J.J. Watt

By John Turney
When Dan Hampton was elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 2002, the argument against him was familiar. Hampton had been one of the most dominant defensive linemen of his generation, but he had also missed significant stretches of his career. For a defensive lineman in an era when longevity was often treated as an unofficial prerequisite for Canton, 157 games over 12 seasons—and roughly two dozen missed because of injury—gave voters something to consider.

The criticism, however, tended to focus on what Hampton did not play rather than on what happened when he did. That is where Hall-of-Fame voter and Hampton's presenter Don Pierson’s presentation became particularly interesting. 

Pierson had obtained research that went beyond Hampton’s individual statistics and examined separating their performance in games Hampton played from those he missed. It was not a perfect experiment, of course, but it was useful. Useful, that is a term Paul Zimmerman would often use when referring to statistics. Some were; many were not. 

Of course, players do not miss games randomly, and injuries can affect the entire team. The circumstances surrounding a game, the quality of the opponent, and the availability of other players all matter. "With Hampton" and "without Hampton" cannot, by themselves, establish causation.

But the numbers were striking enough to make the point. From 1983 through 1990, the Bears won 75 percent of the games Hampton played and only 33 percent of the games he missed. The difference was not confined to the scoreboard. 

Chicago averaged 3.6 sacks per game with Hampton in the lineup, compared with 2.3 without him.

More dramatically, the Bears defense allowed only 14 points per game when Hampton played and 23 when he did not. At Hampton's Hall of Fame induction, Bears legend Ed O’Bradovich pointed out that the Bears’ defense improved dramatically with Hampton in the lineup in all 20 statistical categories that were included in Pierson's presentation.

That is the part of Hampton’s résumé that can get lost when the discussion becomes a simple accounting of games played (and sack totals). Pierson later said the statistics helped in the induction of Dan Hampton.

The Dan Hampton Effect was real enough to show up on the scoreboard.

Howie Long offers a useful contrast. Over his Raiders career, the win percentage dipped only modestly when he was out (roughly 59 percent with him, 52 percent without). Rushing yards allowed rose from about 110 to 126 per game and yards per carry from 3.7 to 4.2. Sacks fell slightly without Howie from 3.2 to 2.8 per game. There was a measurable Long Effect in most things except points allowed, so really the defense did not collapse. The supporting pieces around him—Alzado, Townsend, Pickel and others—kept the unit functional. Long was elite; the room around him was deep enough that his absences did not quite produce the same cliff in terms of wins and losses as in Hampton's case.

Future Hall-of-Famer J.J. Watt supplies a modern data set that sits between the two. He won't need this kind of analytics to justify his induction; his All-Pro and Defensive Player of theYear credientials will zoom Watt into Canton on  his first try when his time comes.
However, he has a similar career profile as Hampton and Long in this particular regard, kind of in between the two and it's sueful to look at.

In the seasons in which Watt missed significant time (2016, 2017 and 2019 with Houston, plus 2021 with Arizona), the teams went 18-25 in the games he missed and 16-7 in the games he played during those same seasons. That is a jump from roughly 42 percent to 70 percent. And the defensive stats follow along with that trend. But to be fair, that is a slightly different analysis than what was done with Hampton and Long.

Watt's full-career sample (151 games played, 43 missed, and apples-to-apples to Hampton and Long) softens the win-percentage gap (51 percent to 42 percent), as expected because there were a few really poor teams Watt played on, but the defensive indicators still move in the same direction: points allowed drop from 25.0 per game without him to 22.0 with him, total yards allowed improve, passer rating allowed improves, and sacks rise from 1.8 to 2.5 per game. 

Rushing yards allowed jumped from 102 yards a game to about 121 without him. Yards per rush allowed also was negatively affected going from 3.9 to 4.3 per attempt.

It goes on, but you get the point. And yes, the gaps are real. They are not identical in magnitude to Hampton’s, nor are they as modest as Long’s. They are large enough, consistent enough across different seasons and supporting casts, and visible enough in the categories that matter most for a disruptive defensive lineman that the measuring stick still works. 

The Bears were better with Hampton than without. Same for the Raiders and Long. J.J. Watt's teams were better in terms of wins and in statistics when Watt was playing compared to when he was out injured.

Yes, J.J. Watt was a winner. 

26 comments:

  1. Like my idea, did you? It was a good one. Your cherry-picked stats do nothing to refute what I said the other day. Count ALL the games Watt played and games missed. All of them. Not just the games you want to include. A career is a career, and you have to count it all. What are you afraid of? You just proved my point by de-selecting some games. Cherry-picking is the sign of an amateur.

    Bottom line, Watt’s teams had a higher W-L percent when he was out than they did when he played.

    And you’re welcome for the idea.

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    1. The article in paragraphs (14-16) explicitly gives the full-career sample for Watt: 151 games played, 43 missed. That’s the same apples-to-apples frame used for Hampton and Long.

      In that complete sample, the win percentage still rises when Watt is in the lineup (51% to 42%), points allowed drop (22.0 vs 25.0), sacks rise (2.5 vs 1.8), rushing yards allowed improve, and yards-per-carry allowed improve.

      There is also a separate look (paragraph 13) at the specific seasons in which Watt missed significant time (2016, 2017, 2019, 2021). That is presented as a different, narrower cut and is labeled as such. It is not the primary comparison. It was just useful enough to include.

      The point of the piece is simply that, across BOTH the full career and the high-miss seasons, the same directional pattern that showed up for Watt: the defense and the win rate were better when he was on the field than when he was not. Sorry, that is what the numbers show.

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    2. Nope. You did not account for his entire 2011-2022 career. Weak.

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    3. Watt played 151 games, the record of those games is 77-74 (51%). He missed 43 games, the record for his teams in those games was 18-25 (42%).

      His entire career is accounted for.

      Here is an exact quote from the story: "Watt's full-career sample (151 games played, 43 missed, and apples-to-apples to Hampton and Long) softens the win-percentage gap (51 percent to 42 percent), .... "

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    4. I guess that is settled -- article was accurate. People can disagree with any conclusions, that is their perrogative.

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    5. Anyone is welcome to start their own web blog and write articles that reflect what they believe to be the accurate history of football. If someone has good ideas for an articles or subjects, the internet offers many options for creating their own space to publish them. Otherwise, feel free to disagree with the articles published here, but please be respectful when doing so. State your case and move on.

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  2. How would you rank these three players at the top of their games?

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    1. JJ Watt is far above the level of Dan Hamton and also Howie Long. I am not sure Hampton and Long belong in Hall of Fame. Especially Hampton.

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  3. QBWins are not a good stat. DLwins are worser. DL have little control over wins-losses. Howie, Hampton or JJ or any player like that is not the QB.

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    1. There are a few ways to look at it. QB wins is not really a stat, it's a record. I guess when you do a winning percentage it's a stat. And I think there is mertic to QB wins, but it's not as big to me as other things.

      And I agree that DL wins is not all that useful. This was done because there is at least one person who thinks J.J. Watt did not make his teams better. And that was so poor a take that I addressed it.

      As I have mentioned a few times now, for his entire career 2011-22 Watt's teams won games at 51% rate and without him playing they won at a 42% rate. It completely refutes that claim.

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    2. Other than for a quick take why even do comparison?

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    3. Recently, there was someone who made a false claim about Watt on the Zach Allen story ... it said,

      "Yes! I knew it. Just finished an analysis of JJ Watt’s 2011-2022 career. Not only was Watt unreliable — you know the old saying about durability being the best ability — but Watt’s teams won a slightly higher percentage of games when he was injured and off the field than they did in games he started and played. Don’t believe me? Do it yourself. You’re good at counting, so it shouldn’t be a problem.

      Great players make their team better — measured by wins and losses. Watt never made his team better. The all time king of empty stats like this one.

      The point is to win the game."

      That's what was said ... and he was so wrong on several fronts I did the actual research, proving him wrong. He misread it and said I cherry picked (there were two breakdowns) but since I proved him wrong, he's yet to admit his error and went on a rant ... he simply didn't do the calculations right.

      The comparison with Hampton and long was used to illustrated the point, i.e. that stuff was a part ofthe Hampton presentation over 20 years ago showing this kind of think can be used, in a limited way, to make a point.

      Onbviosuly there are many factors that going into this, but to me, it was worth a post. If you disagree, that's fine.

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    4. thanks, makes sense now.

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  4. am glad you don't think these numbers matter in JJ's hof case. he gets in 1st ballot no matter what, he is best DL of the 2000s

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    1. Agree, J.J. Watt will be first-ballot Hall-of-Famer. This was done to prove a claim I saw that his teams were worse with him in the lineup. That claim was inaccurate.

      However, my opinion is Aaron Donald is the best defensive linement of this century. To me, Watt would be second.

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    2. jj watt was better than Aaron but i admit it is close. do you think Aaron will be any good after sitting out when he comes back this year?

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    3. Fair enough. Reasonable people can disagree. Honestly don't know. Donald still looks ready to play. Skill set --- sure he can certainly be good. But I could be wrong, but it's more likely than not he may not be to HIS standard. I would see many a lot more rotation if he does play. Maybe not a pass rush specialist, but maybe not an 80% of the snaps guy either.

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  5. BW ...

    Good article and points from everybody. Watt should and probably will get elected first ballot despite many missed games. I didnt feel Hampton should have, though he elevated the Bears defense, similar to what Bob Sanders did for the Colts defense, though he wont get elected due to injuries. Hampton, like Klecko, was a great player, but doesnt have the accolades like Watt but he was voted in, and hopefully others with injury/longevity questions, like Gene Brito or Tom Sestak as seniors, have their eventual enshrinement.

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    1. Not much hope for Brito or Sestak, I am afraid.

      There was a small "Klecko affect" in his career, he missed enough games to make same kind of look at him. Richard Seymour, too. However, have not done any other linemen.

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  6. Most overrated player in NFL is JJ Watts

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    1. You sound like an idiot my dude. Watt was the best DE of the past 25 years and it isn't close at all. Look at the advanced analytics, he had a more dominant peak than all of them.

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    2. At least some people think because Texans did not win a Super Bowl that he is not as good as Hampton or Long. Or Von Miller. That's it. And that is the kind of thought process at least one individual had,

      With that logic, L.C. Greenwood is better than Carl Eller, for example. People are welcome to hold that kind of belief but if they make up stats off the top of their head without any calculation and say Eller's teams were worse with him than without then that kind of analysis is not credible.

      Judging a player can included his value to his team but also that value has to be measured in some fashion: part of it is stats and big plays, part of it is awards, and part of it may be the things said by opponents and opposing coaches about said player.

      One cannot just see a ring on one finger and no ring on another finger and conclude the player sans ring is inferior based only on that and be taken seriously. Nuance matters, IMO.

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  7. That last comment sounds like something Skip Bayless would say. 🙄

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    1. Skip said JJ was on his way to being the best defensive player in the history of the game before his injuries. Look it up

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