tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4958997061437462003.post7995325166844004355..comments2024-03-28T17:35:48.164-06:00Comments on Pro Football Journal: The Best Tight Ends of All-TimeJohn Turneyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06612706488776938253noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4958997061437462003.post-16150549079432019822020-12-10T02:10:55.118-07:002020-12-10T02:10:55.118-07:00Overall good assessment. Of course I disagree with...Overall good assessment. Of course I disagree with a few such as Heath Miller being a bit low(i hate the steelers) and I would drop Gronk down to 5. I am so glad to see someone rate TEs based upon both pass catching and blocking. awesome job! Watch out for Mr.Kittle if he can stay healthy.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13910308898675401218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4958997061437462003.post-124456952474087152020-04-09T13:54:28.873-06:002020-04-09T13:54:28.873-06:00He was not a TE, he was end end like all the other...He was not a TE, he was end end like all the other ends of the day---like Fears, Lavelli, etc... no more a TE than they were. All ends were tight most of the time back then. not the speciifc "tight" end when there was a flanker and a split end in offenseJohn Turneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06612706488776938253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4958997061437462003.post-34130825943783237532020-04-09T11:54:11.362-06:002020-04-09T11:54:11.362-06:00Where would you put Elbie Nickel? TE or WR and wo...Where would you put Elbie Nickel? TE or WR and would you ever look closer at him to be placed on the TE list?WWallerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13548336227161578409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4958997061437462003.post-90454585124066711472020-03-02T21:01:56.019-07:002020-03-02T21:01:56.019-07:00clearly rising fast...once a guy gets 5 years in w...clearly rising fast...once a guy gets 5 years in we put them on lists...so he needs 2-3 more to be here but if he plays those 2 like last 2 he's debut in top 10John Turneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06612706488776938253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4958997061437462003.post-79122925605765521142020-03-02T19:42:47.439-07:002020-03-02T19:42:47.439-07:00I'm curious as to where you'd start to put...I'm curious as to where you'd start to put Kittle now that he's had two great seasons in a row. Obviously sample size and consistency over several seasons is nowhere near there, but I feel like his play in these two seasons has been some of the best I've seenMaadDoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12759825360352163090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4958997061437462003.post-89847696411732279862019-06-21T14:35:30.760-06:002019-06-21T14:35:30.760-06:00Well, I get it. My list is not more special than a...Well, I get it. My list is not more special than anyone else's. We all try to do our research and try and has as much info as we can before listing, but if you disagree, I cannot say that I am right and you are wrong. You have as much ability to do this as I do.<br /><br />I just give it an honest shot and hope people can enjoyJohn Turneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06612706488776938253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4958997061437462003.post-68707382477639691492019-06-03T11:15:25.190-06:002019-06-03T11:15:25.190-06:00Great list John, though I would rank Jay Novachek ...Great list John, though I would rank Jay Novachek and Heath Miller a lot higher...<br /><br />Based on the combination of both blocking and receiving, I think Casper is the best, but I do like Gronk and Ditka alot. Mackey was great, but dropped alot of balls which frustrated Johnny Unitas, who was more comfortable with Mutschellers hands...<br /><br />Witten should get in the Hall before Gronk though, he had everything but the championships...I hope Bavaro can get in as well...Brian wolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03887742217457349700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4958997061437462003.post-25439772676418600972019-05-21T06:29:52.328-06:002019-05-21T06:29:52.328-06:00John, if you had to pick 3 TEs for an all star tea...John, if you had to pick 3 TEs for an all star team would you go right down the line with Gronk/Mackey/Gonzo or would you skip around a little and pick a slightly lower rated player that maybe has a complimentary skill set?Peircehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08628987724417980549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4958997061437462003.post-89676959819543299022019-05-20T23:00:55.233-06:002019-05-20T23:00:55.233-06:00I like seeing Pete Pihos on the list, but in Micke...I like seeing Pete Pihos on the list, but in Mickey Herskowitz's "Golden Age" book, he made a pretty convincing argument for Tom Fears as the first modern TE. Going back a little further, I'd like to see Guy Chamberlin and Bob "Nasty" Nash on the list too. Chamberlin was a fixture in early championship games seemingly making big plays in every one. Nash played both tackle and end and was known as the only player who could bring down Jim Thorpe without help consistently. Finally, glad you have Bavaro so high, growing up with the Giants on TV, he was a favorite of mine to watch. TanksAndSpartansnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4958997061437462003.post-91079470441826197072019-05-19T18:12:28.038-06:002019-05-19T18:12:28.038-06:00"I think the fact he was traded in his prime ..."I think the fact he was traded in his prime says something about his attitude"<br /><br />Could be, but at the point he was traded the Raiders were 3-3 and had recently lost their starting QB for the season. Looked like they were heading for their third straight non-playoff season and probably on the verge of a rebuild. With the Oilers very much in "win now" mode, they got a kings' ransom for Casper - a first and two second round picks (one of which would end up being Howie Long). Turns out that win over SD was the start of a very surprising run to a SB behind a cast off QB. Sdb26554https://www.blogger.com/profile/09876699522256511306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4958997061437462003.post-36015757618444896402019-05-19T16:31:41.700-06:002019-05-19T16:31:41.700-06:00I'd probably have him ahead of Winslow. The o...I'd probably have him ahead of Winslow. The other four all have 'best ever' arguments of their own. Re: Winslow - From 1980-82 he was the best, at least receiving wise. His overall numbers in '83 are big, but I think it was Dr. Z who wrote about how a good chunk of that came in the Wk 15 shootout with KC. Still talking a 1,000 yard season without that game (and have to factor in Fouts missing considerable time with a shoulder injury), but I think Christensen and Newsome were a little better. Then he missed quite a bit of time in '84 and '85 with injuries. He did have a stronger finish to his career than Casper, though.Sdb26554https://www.blogger.com/profile/09876699522256511306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4958997061437462003.post-20114750237925415512019-05-19T15:13:35.363-06:002019-05-19T15:13:35.363-06:00Casper could be higher, but who goes down? TEs are...Casper could be higher, but who goes down? TEs are a dual position and it's hard to ignore the difference-makers who had big numbers...I think the fact he was traded in his prime says something about his attitude, he didn't love football I think he was great at it, but he's a different guy. But if someone put him higher than I do, I'd be fine with it. I didn't discout his "numbers" because I realize he was in run-heavy offense. But anyone else's picks are as good as mine.John Turneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06612706488776938253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4958997061437462003.post-72016274912043903082019-05-19T14:28:09.017-06:002019-05-19T14:28:09.017-06:00Really enjoying these. I'd probably have Casp...Really enjoying these. I'd probably have Casper a little higher. I actually think he has at least an argument for best ever, though I would say Gronk's the best I've seen first hand (I'm late 30s). Outside of not being the fastest, I can't think of a knock on him. In addition to what's in his write up, I would add that he had to mostly sit for his first couple seasons behind an entrenched vet (Bob Moore). Like his contemporary Francis was in some run heavy offenses + had to share targets with Biletnikoff and Branch (and eventually Chester) for a while. Then he's traded to Houston in the middle of Campbell's biggest season. Might be a few other small changes but, hey, these things are always subjective.<br /><br />Is the Wide Reciever list next? Hope you do sub-categories for that one, too. Think it's a great ideaSdb26554https://www.blogger.com/profile/09876699522256511306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4958997061437462003.post-73170425303317891852019-05-19T09:19:49.492-06:002019-05-19T09:19:49.492-06:00awesome as always....your top 3 are perfect and I ...awesome as always....your top 3 are perfect and I have a "Baltimore Colt" bias.....nice recognition for Jim Mutcheller…..thought Greg Olsen would be ranked higher, but of course defer to your expertise<br />JHoltgymhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13751235587015111105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4958997061437462003.post-58416107672709162832019-05-18T19:16:10.367-06:002019-05-18T19:16:10.367-06:00He is listed as one of the fastest...He is listed as one of the fastest...John Turneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06612706488776938253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4958997061437462003.post-36325614244735363702019-05-18T18:37:53.791-06:002019-05-18T18:37:53.791-06:00Awesome job as always but I would put Henry Child ...Awesome job as always but I would put Henry Child as honorable mention somewhere.KTfortheWinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04278203289858520208noreply@blogger.com