tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4958997061437462003.comments2024-03-18T18:21:06.420-06:00Pro Football JournalJohn Turneyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06612706488776938253noreply@blogger.comBlogger5363125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4958997061437462003.post-65855907770643653292024-03-18T18:21:06.420-06:002024-03-18T18:21:06.420-06:00I think you will like it. I have been throught it ...I think you will like it. I have been throught it once, now going a chapter at a time. I learn so much from Chris and Ken and John M. and others on this era when I read their stuff ... John Turneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06612706488776938253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4958997061437462003.post-6903929893220745622024-03-18T17:09:42.041-06:002024-03-18T17:09:42.041-06:00From your keyboard to God's ear...From your keyboard to God's ear...Jeffrey J. Millernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4958997061437462003.post-83406768346618094892024-03-18T13:52:16.579-06:002024-03-18T13:52:16.579-06:00this is exciting.....now if only Chris and NFL fil...this is exciting.....now if only Chris and NFL films could find footage of the Rochester Jeffersons-Tomawanda Kardex 1921 tussle.....JHoltgymhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13751235587015111105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4958997061437462003.post-45546269618101656222024-03-17T04:35:37.220-06:002024-03-17T04:35:37.220-06:00Thank you for the endorsement, John.
I am picking ...Thank you for the endorsement, John.<br />I am picking up Chris's book this week and look forward to an excellent read.JuggernautJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12298340011674004149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4958997061437462003.post-59725516468225144712024-03-14T17:43:35.953-06:002024-03-14T17:43:35.953-06:00From Brian Wolf ...
If anyone would know about th...From Brian Wolf ...<br /><br />If anyone would know about the two-way era, its Chris, but what is the scoop on Al Wistert, did the blue-ribbon committee truly feel he was unworthy of the HOF and why?<br /><br />Film study? Not serving in WW II? Too small despite accolades? Let me know Chris since you were privy to the BRP ... were you the lone voice of reason? Did the former coaches, general managers, celebrities, exclude the opinions of everyone else?<br /><br />Was there enough film to evaluate Lewellen, Dilweg, Emerson, Christensen, Latone and others?<br />Who would you feel was deserving of the HOF, at least for the initial HOF classes?<br /><br />They elected Slater, why not other super-seniors besides the later ones? Did they consider Mac Speedie more superior to Benton, Kavanaugh or Hugh Taylor?<br /><br />I know, I am biting off more than I can chew ... ThanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4958997061437462003.post-7237516585912452852024-03-14T15:01:44.923-06:002024-03-14T15:01:44.923-06:00Cappelletti was someone who scored a lot but he pr...Cappelletti was someone who scored a lot but he probably should have had somethign written ... but he was a hair above average as a kicker, about that average as a receiver ... his 52% was just a franction above what the average was in pro football during his time. <br /><br />He's a combination player ... someone whowas good at two things but not great at either. I think he gets overrated by his fans because he was a good postion player who also kicked.<br /><br />But there are a lot of kickers I didn't write about -- Summerall and Waterfield to name a couple -- that are significant but this article was about the best all time and some of the metrics were how much above average they were compared to their peers. Rupert Patrick's book was excellent on this as was Football Perceptive, the website. <br /><br />In them -- as a kicker alone -- GIno didn't stand out like the top ones. There was other criteria, distance, clutch, kickoffs and a lot of things that went into it.<br /><br />Turner and Blanda were both mentioned in some deatil.<br /><br />Bottom line is you could do a list and it would be just as valid as mine, we just disagree about how good Cappelletti -- as a kicker --- was. <br /><br />Blanda--same deal... he was someone who became an above average kicker in his time with the Raiders ... but lacked distance and kickoffs, but was usually clutch. <br /><br />Anyway, if you find mistakes you are probably right.<br /><br />John Turneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06612706488776938253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4958997061437462003.post-89001813468185206142024-03-14T14:45:36.908-06:002024-03-14T14:45:36.908-06:00Straight on Kickers from the 1960's who were I...Straight on Kickers from the 1960's who were IMO significant to the growth of PRO football, not necessarily NFL football. <br /><br /> 1. Gino Cappelletti, Boston Patriots. Steady, consistent and kept the Patriots in the race for the league Championship. NOTHING was written by his name above! What a shame! Cappelletti also played running back and receiver for the Patriots during the 1960's in the AFL. He should NEVER be dismissed by anyone who has allegiance to the NFL (against the AFL) just because he played in the AFL and not the NFL.<br />2. Jim Turner, NY Jets and Denver Broncos. Turner's truncated, choppy approach to the ball and kick seemed to work for him more often than not and he was instrumental in the AFL Jets beating the NFL Colts in Super Bowl 3. <br />3. George Blanda, Oakland Raiders. Blanda was one of the rarest of all pro football players of his era, having played Quarterback in the NFL for the Bears, was sent on his way and ended up leading the AFL Houston Oilers to back-to-back Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4958997061437462003.post-8778353832077534852024-03-13T13:31:56.710-06:002024-03-13T13:31:56.710-06:00I wanted so much to visit Mr Gabriel partly becaus...I wanted so much to visit Mr Gabriel partly because I followed him when coming to the states in ‘68 and thru 70s from the Philippines.<br />It boggles my mind why he’s not even considered even more why he isn’t in the HOF! There are players that have been inducted that doesn’t have the accolades and achievements this purely SUCKS!<br />What is wrong with these voters! I wanna say the R word but I will refrain and just say look at the films!<br />Thanks for all those nice flowery words on Romans achievements but what good is that if he’s not inducted Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4958997061437462003.post-66424535052338887202024-03-12T17:40:35.069-06:002024-03-12T17:40:35.069-06:00I just have him behind the others. He was a person...I just have him behind the others. He was a personal favorite - but as I keep telling people, the original article in on Talk of Fame, there is a reading time limit put on me so I cannot include everyone -- there are maybe 5-10 more that could have been honorable mentions but if you list everyone, then it gets edited out.<br /><br />So, I could add them here, because I can make things as long as I want, but I think Lloyd is in the top 8 but I just have the guys I picked ahead of him.<br /><br />Others could pick who they prefer and it would be as valid as mine. I don't just go by All-Pros, though. I put in my opinions mixed with other critera, like talking to PSI, etc...<br /><br />But Lloyd was a 3-time All-pro and a great player. I just have Marshall, Joyner, and even Blair a little ahead.<br /><br />it was a nera deep with guys ... and the sack-LBers got most of the HOF push ... the more complete guys didn't.John Turneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06612706488776938253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4958997061437462003.post-48891680195464499132024-03-12T15:27:32.178-06:002024-03-12T15:27:32.178-06:00BW ...
I can understand John going with McDonald ...BW ...<br /><br />I can understand John going with McDonald and Robinson at safety but Browner might get elected before both of them ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4958997061437462003.post-51348362234653863202024-03-12T13:17:08.321-06:002024-03-12T13:17:08.321-06:00He would been great if he didn’t injure his knee o...He would been great if he didn’t injure his knee or ankleAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4958997061437462003.post-9052475627856252722024-03-12T09:24:29.630-06:002024-03-12T09:24:29.630-06:00How about Greg Lloyd?How about Greg Lloyd?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4958997061437462003.post-31765441318703771442024-03-11T10:08:07.459-06:002024-03-11T10:08:07.459-06:00This article brings back memories of the great ser...This article brings back memories of the great series of articles you did in 2018/19 ranking the top all-time players at each position. It's been almost five years, any idea when you might update the list of all-time players? Thanks!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4958997061437462003.post-26429723116534454322024-03-10T20:10:28.020-06:002024-03-10T20:10:28.020-06:00I agree. Thank you! I agree. Thank you! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4958997061437462003.post-54647879585941810652024-03-10T18:06:13.118-06:002024-03-10T18:06:13.118-06:00I saw the play you were talking about - yes, I thi...I saw the play you were talking about - yes, I think I can add that as a knockdown ... but it was a gainer ... Dr. Z prob wouldn't agree, but it's how John Levra and also PFF do it. John Turneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06612706488776938253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4958997061437462003.post-83832883840605103982024-03-10T17:27:45.156-06:002024-03-10T17:27:45.156-06:00Yes, I have the entire all-22 defense for that gam...Yes, I have the entire all-22 defense for that game, though the first series is damaged due to film degradation.<br /><br />And I agree, Washington would have the upper hand, but Youngblood made a couple of tackles, one missed tackle, in run game, and I cannot remember what happened on all the knockdowns ... but I can look<br /><br />here is 1st Q<br />1st Q, 12 pass plays, 4 were blitzes, assigment to occupy, 6 double teams with T&G or T&RB -- 2 hurries and 1 QB knockdown for 3 total pressures ... I was probably two stringent when I first watched ... 1 pressue a short completion, 1 an incompletions knockdown forced checkdown by Cromwell missed a tackle and got 19 yards. <br /><br />1 holing called on Washington in run game (no way it would be a hold today)<br /><br />After that, you'd have to say RW did better<br />DeleteJohn Turneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06612706488776938253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4958997061437462003.post-90508239423502477312024-03-10T14:05:20.669-06:002024-03-10T14:05:20.669-06:00Set an objective criteria for the HOF. For instanc...Set an objective criteria for the HOF. For instance, the most All Pros or All Decades teams players prioritized first. Too much subjectivity and politics involved. So Steve Wisniewski, with 8 All Pros, and on the 1990s All Decade team, should be considered first. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4958997061437462003.post-637106681559453112024-03-09T15:36:54.130-07:002024-03-09T15:36:54.130-07:00BW ...
Thanks Jim, John had some excellent choice...BW ...<br /><br />Thanks Jim, John had some excellent choices and Andrews reminded me of a faster, more athletic Robert Newhouse. Did the dirty work as well. Had Chuck Muncie stayed away from drugs, he could have had a shot at 9000 yards rushing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4958997061437462003.post-30343797379924114872024-03-09T13:30:01.515-07:002024-03-09T13:30:01.515-07:00John was your version of the game more complete th...John was your version of the game more complete than this one? This one is missing opening series on defense for Rams and maybe two other plays.<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQbFGzzr8pY<br /><br />Come to think of it you are right that Youngblood seemed like he just wanted occupy Washingtons attention at times. On one of Jacks qb knockdowns I think Fouts completes a long corner pattern to Joiner. Not much production from Jack this game though against the run unless he had some production on missing plays I'm not seeing.Alen Bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4958997061437462003.post-53069300803204600572024-03-09T13:25:29.853-07:002024-03-09T13:25:29.853-07:00JHoltgym, Andrews is unbelievable on the old games...JHoltgym, Andrews is unbelievable on the old games I noticed that too. Alen Bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4958997061437462003.post-84710432861904743132024-03-09T12:47:25.843-07:002024-03-09T12:47:25.843-07:00Thank you for your work on the multi decade series...Thank you for your work on the multi decade series. This is a very useful tool for anyone who is not informed about the HOF seniors abyss.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4958997061437462003.post-11648157036936156742024-03-09T12:37:12.511-07:002024-03-09T12:37:12.511-07:00Agreed. The depth on this list is not as strong as...Agreed. The depth on this list is not as strong as the 60s-70s which goes to show that the voters have done a good job not having a deep senior 80s-90s poolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4958997061437462003.post-71230713052232213632024-03-09T11:10:04.937-07:002024-03-09T11:10:04.937-07:00Have 79 game on film. Have JY with 2 knockdowns an...Have 79 game on film. Have JY with 2 knockdowns and 1 pressure. Rams blitzed opposite side a lot that game ... where his assignment was to just occupy Washington. They'd also run T-E and E-T games ... so JY doubled most passing snaps. But --- to your point on the maybe 5-6-7 times it was RW vs JY you'd have to say RW won most of them. John Turneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06612706488776938253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4958997061437462003.post-7092011733486309792024-03-09T10:42:12.571-07:002024-03-09T10:42:12.571-07:00Brian, thanks for reviving William Andrew's na...Brian, thanks for reviving William Andrew's name....an absolute beast lost to history due to that horrendous knee injury.....he was a smashmouth guy in right out of the John Henry Johnson mould.....JHoltgymhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13751235587015111105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4958997061437462003.post-83078756232390580082024-03-09T10:41:00.028-07:002024-03-09T10:41:00.028-07:00good point.....1980 came within a pick of Night Tr...good point.....1980 came within a pick of Night Train's all-time season record and was so memorable.....the "stickum" rule was implemented especially for and directly at him.....and quite possibly the most politically incorrect nickname ever.....<br />JHoltgymhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13751235587015111105noreply@blogger.com