Tuesday, November 7, 2023

TUESDAY TIDBITS: "The Record Doesn't Tell The Story"

By TJ Troup 
Dick Vermeil
The first in-depth research I did was in the area of pass interceptions, and more specifically how often did a team won when someone returned an interception for a touchdown. 
There have been more interceptions returned for a touchdown on November 5th than any other day in pro football history.

Let's journey back to 1950 and the Green Bay Packers visiting the former AAFC Baltimore Colts. 

When you study film of this Colt team you see a bunch of rag-tag players that are not destined for long careers in the league. Green Bay leads 21-14 entering the 4th quarter, but the Colts rally to win 41-21 and three of the touchdowns are interception returns. 
Kenny Moore
This past Sunday the Colts of Indianapolis earned a win over Carolina as Kenny Moore twice galloped (that's what the Colts do) to the promised land with interceptions. Not sure if Mr. Moore watched vintage film of the Colt victory in 1950. 

The Baltimore Ravens began the 2000 season winning five of their first six games, and everyone took notice of a defense that would go on to rank with the best of all time. The Ravens stumbled through a three-game losing streak, and on November 5th in Cincinnati, the offense finally came alive, while the impregnable defense continued to play outstanding team defense in the 27-7 win. 

The Ravens would continue to win and ran the table all the way to a Super Bowl victory. November the 5th, 1978, and the 4-5 Philadelphia Eagles take on a Packer team that is 7-2 and leading the NFC Central. This day is the turning point in Eagle history as the victory over Green Bay sparked the Eagles to win enough to earn a wild-card berth in the playoffs. 

For many years the NFL put out a pre-season magazine in those days called Prolog (they are insightful and in-depth) and the write-up on Philadelphia gives us the title for today's narrative. 
Coach Dick Vermeil had built this team into a group of hard-bitten men who took no prisoners. Finally, on a personal note—was honored to coach at both Riverside City College and Fullerton Junior College, and was very fortunate to be part of teams at both schools that won a bowl game. 

This coming Saturday the two 9-0 teams meet to decide who is the league champion. No doubt the game will be a hard-hitting and eventful contest. Next week will finally give an evaluation of where we are at in the NFL for the 2023 season.

Monday, November 6, 2023

Justin Madubuike—Contract Year Surge

 By John Turney 

Justin Madubuike, a third-round pick in the 2020 draft by the Baltimore Ravens is in a contract year. And playing like it. He worked hard, according to his own account, in the off-season and the work is paying off.

Though guys having a big year when they are up for a contract need to be given extra scrutiny (one of Proscout's axioms) Madubuike did improve last year from year two and from year two from year one.

Here are a few plays from this year that resulted in three of his sacks.

First is a sweet spin. Then an outside double swipe to the long arm bull rush. Then from the Seattle game a stunt with the linebacker going first and Madubuike looping behind for a sack.




This clip is of a zone blitz with Madubuike and huge nose tackle Michael Pearce dropping out of rush because the have two extra rushers, one on each edge—

The Ravens will likely find a way to lock him up. He's their kind of player, perfect for their scheme. Strout enough for the run in both base and nickel and gets good pressure in nickel.
He has shot at a Pro Bowl if he keeps this level of play up.


Sunday, November 5, 2023

Lost Fumbles No Problem as Packers Beat Rams

 By Eric Goska

(photos by Eric Goska)

Follow the bouncing ball.

Ahkello Witherspoon and Duke Shelley did. The two defensive backs became the first enemy combatants to recover Packers fumbles this season.

Green Bay twice coughed up the football in its game with the Rams Sunday at Lambeau Field. Fortunately, neither turnover led to points as the Packers outlasted Los Angeles 20-3 to end a four-game losing streak and improve to 3-5.

Negatives have outweighed positives as Green Bay dropped five of its first seven games. Slow starts, penalties, interceptions, blown assignments—the list stretched seemingly without end.

An overlooked bright spot: Green Bay had not lost a fumble in any of its first seven games. That happens about once in a blue cheesehead.

Yes, the Packers had been separated from the pigskin during that stretch. But until the Rams came to town, those loose balls had always been recovered by Green and Gold hands.

Prior to Sunday, the Packers had fumbled seven times. Jordan Love put three on the carpet followed by Sean Clifford, Emanuel Wilson, Jayden Reed and Aaron Jones with one each.

Five men made sure those bobbles didn’t get away: Love (with two recoveries), Clifford, Kiondre Thomas, Elgton Jenkins and Zach Tom. One of Love’s fumbles went out of bounds.

That’s seven fumbles, six recoveries and zero points scored by the opposition as a result of those momentary lapses.

For two quarters Sunday, the Packers remained as secure as Fort Knox. The team reeled off 32 plays and gained 151 yards with no butterfingers in forging a 7-3 lead.

Keisean Nixon then zipped 51 yards with Lucas Havrisik’s kickoff to start the third quarter. The elusive cornerback set his team up three yards short of midfield.

Here, the script changed. Green Bay lost fumbles on back-to-back possessions.

Dontayvion Wicks was guilty of the first. Hitting the ground without being touched, the rookie receiver lost the ball as he stretched it forward. Witherspoon recovered.

Jones was to blame for second. The veteran running back lost the handle during a 9-yard run that could have been longer had he maintained control.

If ever there was a game in which two lost fumbles might not prove lethal, this was it. The Rams, with Brett Rypien filling in for Matthew Stafford at quarterback, mustered all of 187 yards and never once pierced the Packers’ red zone.

Rypien moved the Rams to the Green Bay 29 after the first turnover. From there, Los Angeles went backward with Ethan Evans punting on 4th-and-17.

The Rams penetrated one yard further after the second turnover, but again retreated. Isaiah McDuffie and Jonathan Owens threw Royce Freeman for a 3-yard loss, and then Havrisik sent a 49-yard field goal attempt wide right.

Wicks’ miscue ended Green Bay’s string of 443 plays to open the season without a lost fumble. The run is the third longest in team history.

In 1995, the Packers’ offense got off 536 consecutive plays before Brett Favre lost a fumble to the Lions’ Chris Spielman. In 2020, the offense initiated 448 plays in a row before Aaron Rodgers gave the ball away to the Vikings’ Eric Wilson.

Green Bay has been much maligned in 2023, but going 400-plus is a positive worth spotlighting. In 75 of its last 100 seasons (1923-2022), the team had lost its first fumble before running its 100th offensive play. Fifty times that first giveaway occurred before even 50 plays had been run.

Though this streak has ended, the Packers can take aim at another goal: fewest lost fumbles in a season. The record is six, first set in 1943 and tied in 1995, 2011, 2020 and 2021.

Get a Grip
Since 1923, the most offensive plays to start a season by the Packers without a lost fumble by the offense.

No.         Year     First to Lose a Fumble
536*       1995       Brett Favre
448         2020      Aaron Rodgers
443         2023      Dontayvion Wicks
316         1993       Brett Favre
257         1984       James Lofton

*Doug Evans lost GB's first fumble of the season playing special teams a week earlier.

Followups—Giants, Browns, and Rams

By John Turney  
Brian Daboll, Giants' Head Coach
Earlier in the season we showed the starts by three teams that were very good in league or team annals or in the case of the Giants a poor start.

The Browns' defense start was impressive given the era even if it was only after a handful of games. They were allowed the third-fewest yards after five games since the 1970 merger -- with the merger being a fair line of demarkation because the old AFL teams and NFL teams playing each other in the regular season for the first time. 

It was inevitable that the Browns would not be able to keep up with defensive teams in the deadball era like the early 1970s Vikings an Colts. But it's always worth it to talk about great teams of the past.

The Browns, after eight games (nine weeks) are no longer averaging 200.4 yards a game as they were after five games. However, allowing just 234.8 yards a game after eight games is still nothing to sneeze at. It's the best in the NFL (And they are third in scoring defense) and is still one of the best starts in club history., currently fifth in fewest yards allowed per game after eight games—

Fifth, you say? Not first. 

Well, considering all four in front of them were pre-1960 and the only team in the top ten that is post-1978 when the passing game was opening up is the 1987 defense.

It's also 13th best among all teams since 1978 in the fewest total offensive yards allowed.
Like always, it's obvious there is still half a season of football left to play for Myles Garrett and the rest of the Dawg Pound defense but give credit where credit is due -- they are playing pretty well. It's just unknown if it can last at 17 games. 

Odds are against it because these days defenses are at such a disadvantage given current rules and how penalties are called that are almost always tilted in the favor of NFL offenses but that is why they play the games -- so we can watch what teams can accomplish, one way or another.

We also posted about the Rans defense a few weeks ago. The Rams began by not allowing a lot of touchdown passes in their first seven games but five in the last two weeks dropped them from allowing the second-fewest (tied) to being tied for 14th best in team history after nine games, now totaling nine on at the midway point of the season. Or about as midway as you can get in a 17-game schedule. 

No, 14th best is not stellar but it's decent considering a few things. One is the era, two is the youth of the defense and three is the aforementioned era.

This year's rams have allowed the same number of touchdown passes the 1975 and 1976 Rams defenses allowed after nine games. And the same as the 1999 Rams who were the only team to allow fewer touchdown passes than the 2023 Rams after six games.

It just shows how fast things can change.

Current list, fewest touchdown passes allowed through nine games, in Rams franchise history.

Again, will they stay this high? Probably not. But still, exceeding expectations is always something to be praised and this unit has done that through nine games.

Last comes the 2023 Giants offense update. 

Last week they were tied for ninth-worst in scoring in team history -- dating back to 1925 which was bad enough. 

After Sunday's 30-6 loss to the Las Vegas Raiders, they've fallen to sixth-worst—

At least they are not doing as poorly as the 1928, 1932, 1936, 1925 and 1931 teams. Well, yeah they are because none of those teams were last the the league in scoring. 

Like the Browns and Rams defenses, the Giants offense won't end the season averaging 11.2 points per game but like we said last week they better get a move on. Even finishing the year anywhere among these bottom twenty would not be a good look for Brian Daboll and the Big Blue.

Fun stuff.

Saturday, November 4, 2023

Is Nick Bosa Still Slumping?

 By John Turney 
San Francisco defensive end Nick Bosa, the NFL's reigning Defensive Player of the Year, missed all of training camp and preseason while holding out for a new contract. The All-Pro eventually received it in early September, signing a five-year, $170-million extension that made him the highest-paid defensive player in the NFL ... at least for the time being.

But that was then, and this is now. And now ... at least for the time being ... it's fair to ask: Is Nick Bosa in a slump? After seven games, he has three sacks, the fewest of his three previous injury-free seasons when he had at least seven sacks through seven weeks.

And now? Not even close. 

Some thought the slow start may have been the product of his six-week holdout, but Bosa dismissed the idea, saying he felt "good" and needed only 'a couple of games" to get his body into "football shape." However, after the 49ers' 22-17 loss to Minnesota where they produced no sacks and Bosa's struggles were most evident, critics are beginning to wonder.

After that game, Chase Senior of "49ers Report" posted a video on YouTube entitled, "Nick Bosa & The Defense Need To Step Up!" where he explains that the lack of sacks are not only holding the club back but bear responsibility for San Francisco's two losses.

"I’m not sure how it went for the other three guys," a frustrated Bosa said after San Francisco's latest defeat. "I can only focus on myself, and there was definitely a couple opportunities there where I could have changed the game. I need to do that with the kind of player I’m supposed to be."

The situation was exacerbated after a 31-17 loss at home to the Cincinnati Bengals even though the defense did rebound recording four sacks -- the most by the team since Week 5. The loss took the 49ers to 5-3 after a 5-0 start and is stoking the fire of frustration in the Bay Area to a new level.

Sacks are important and shouldn't be discounted. But they're not the only significant statistic when evaluating edge rushers. Pressures are important, too, and Senior mentioned that they, too, were lacking. 

And he's right.

Because pressures matter. In fact, in 1993 Hall-of-Famer Deacon Jones said he'd rather have pressures and win than have sacks, few pressures and lose.

So let's look at Bosa's pressures this season. We have four analytics sites to use for comparison, and, though they don't agree in totals, Pro Football Focus (PFF), Sports Information Solutions, Sports Radar and NFLGSIS (the NFL's official site) all show Bosa leading the NFL in quarterback knockdowns/hits with 15, 14, 13 and 19 respectively. They also agree that those figures are the most by any player, edge or defensive interior.

So, no slump there, as Bosa's hits and/or knockdowns of quarterbacks are as good as ever.

However, according to all those sites, Bosa's total pressures -- which are a combination of sacks, hits and hurries -- reveal that he's not the league leader. He is among them, with all having him no lower than tied for sixth and as high as third. But he's not first, as he was at the end of last season.

Nevertheless, the site with the most detailed information, PFF, shows that Bosa this year is only two pressures behind his 2022 total and higher than 2019 and 2020 at the same point in the season. So he's just not finishing his hits on quarterbacks, getting there a hair late.

Basically, what were probably sacks then are knockdowns now, and that's a big difference.

With a sack, a loss of yardage and down are involved. But with a pressure, the quarterback can release a pass and complete it. But, even if it is incomplete, it doesn't result in lost yardage and stops a clock that a defense may want to keep running -- especially if it has a lead and is trying to prevent a comeback. Sacks can also result in a forced fumble, putting the ball in play for a turnover and a potential scoop-and-score.

In that vein, the 49ers were victims of a questionable call two weeks ago in their loss to Cleveland. Browns' quarterback P.J. Walker was hit for what looked like a strip sack, with Bosa picking up the ball. But rather than let the play continue, officials blew it dead before it was determined to be an incomplete pass (to no one) and, later, intentional grounding.

That happened late in the second quarter, so that when the 49ers got the ball back after a monster Cleveland punt, there was little time to capitalize on what seemed a dubious ruling. That was bad luck, an example of life in the NFL where what might have been a big play was not. Specifically, a game-impacting play was erased, an example of where stats can be so misleading they contribute to the perception of a slump.

So let's ask this again: Is there one going on with Nick Bosa? 

Probably. 

Again, according to PFF, the 49ers' defense averaged 26 total pressures a game for the first three starts this year but slipped to just under 20 for the last five. So there has been a dropoff. At the same time, the former Ohio State All-American isn't making as many splash plays as the NFL's highest-paid defender should. He's still playing at an elite level, but not at a Defensive Player-of-the-Year-level as he did at this juncture last year.

His first half of 2023 is more like a major-league baseball hitter who hits .345 one year and is down to .320 the next. It's still good, but any dropoff is noticed. In 1955, for example, the legendary Willie Mays hit .319 and led the National League in home runs, but he fell to fourth in the MVP voting (not receiving a single first-place vote) though his overall stats exceeded the three players ahead of him. 

Of course, the year before was his first MVP season.

While not a perfect analogy -- the Giants fell from first to third -- it illustrates that the difference between the best and one of the best is small. Tiny even. And in a league where only a handful of edge players are as talented as Bosa, any dropoff is perceptible and can be -- albeit unfairly -- labeled a slump.

But things can change. 

Bosa can explode in the second half of the season. He's proven he's capable. And while he's admitted to not playing to his own standards, that may serve as motivation for him to turn sacks into strip sacks, quarterback hits into sacks, hurries into quarterback hits and non-hurries into hurries. Just one degree of improvement on a play can make a big difference.

Like all elite edge rushers in the NFL -- Myles Garrett, Micah Parsons and Maxx Crosby, to name a few -- Bosa, almost weekly, is chipped, double-teamed and held by opponents without getting calls. But it is his responsibility, along with his linemates, to find solutions.

Will he? Great players like Nick Bosa usually do and with the addition of Chase Young who the 49ers acquired at the trade deadline for a third-round pick, he should get some help on the opposite edge. 

2023 PFJ Midseason All-Rookie Team

 By John Turney 
One of the annoying things about an NFL schedule with an odd number of games is that there's no real "midseason" point. Is it this week? Next week? Either?

So, we decided after eight weeks it was time to take a look at the 2023 rookie class's performances and pick a midseason All-Rookie team.

The format is 11 personnel (three wide receivers) on offense and 40 nickel (4-2-5) on defense.

FIRST TEAM

Offense
WR—Puka Nacua, Rams
WR—Jordan Addison, Vikings
WR—Zay Flowers, Ravens
TE—Sam LaPorta, Lions
T —Anton Harrison, Jaguars
T—Darnell Wright, Bears
G—O'Cyrus Torrence, Bills
G—Steve Avila, Rams
C—Jarrett Patterson, Texans
QB—C.J. Stroud, Texans
RB—Bijan Robinson, Falcons

Defense
ED—Byron Young, Rams
ED—Will Anderson, Texas
DI—Jalen Carter, Eagles
DI—Kobie Turner, Rams
LB—Henry To'oTo'o, Texans
LB—Jack Campbell. Lions
DB—Devon Witherspoon, Seahawks
DB—Joey Porter, Jr, Steelers
DB—Brian Branch, Lions
DB—Christian Gonzalez, Patriots
DB—Jordan Howden, Saints 

Special Teams
K—Brandon Aubrey, Cowboys
P—Bryce Baringer, Patriots
Ret—Marvin Mims, Broncos
Cov—Jerrick Reed, II., Seahawks

RECEIVERS & BACKS

Puka Nacua began the year on fire, setting all sorts of rookie receiving records while filling a few roles, including Cooper Kupp's "R" or slot position. After Kupp's return, he's settled into more of a Robert Woods-type role as a "Z" receiver. Either way, if he continues this production, he could be in the Pro Bowl at season's end.

Jordan Addison has also filled in for an injured starter and showed nicely with seven touchdown receptions. Zay Flowers is already an elite route runner, but he's yet to break out with big games.

The Lions are relying a lot on Sam LaPorta -- for good reason. He's putting up better numbers than Travis Kelce and George Kittle and already holds the team rookie record for receptions. With just 100 more yards, he'll own the yardage record, too.

The Texans' C.J. Stroud protects the ball, keeps his team in games and has the club at 3-4. Bryce Young of the Panthers is coming on and may have had the better October, but Stroud was still pretty good. As of now, the 2023 second overall pick is ahead of the first.

The Colts' Anthony Richardson (the fourth overall pick) started the season with more spectacular plays than Stroud and Young, but a shoulder injury ended his season after four games. He just missed too much time to be considered.

Dolphins' running back De'Von Achane's rushing stats should be illegal, and he would've been the pick had he not been hurt. But he's played only three full games and part of a fourth, totaling only 101 snaps.

So at midseason, Bijan Robinson (over three times as many snaps as Achane) edges Jahmyr Gibbs at running back, with both playing well after slow starts. After the season it will be interesting to see who's the top rookie back, as all three are impressive.

OFFENSIVE LINE

O'Cyrus Torrence (Bills) and Steve Avila (Rams) have been the top guards so far, but, after excellent starts, both have leveled off a bit in recent weeks.  Anthony Bradford is coming along after missing the first couple of Seahawks' games, so he gets an honorable mention.

The Texans' Jarrett Patterson started seven games before going on IR with a fractured fibula and is expected to be out for as long as two months. At the end of the season, it may be John Michael Schmitz on the All-Rookie team. He was a starter for the Giants right away before he was felled by a shoulder injury.

The big (6-foot-5, 315-pound) Anton Harrison (called for one hold) and the bigger (6-foot-6, 335-pound) Darnell Wright are the All-Rookie tackles, with monstrous (6-foot-8, 374-pound) Dawand Jones of the Browns getting an honorable mention.

DEFENSIVE LINE

Byron Young of the Rams is the top rookie edge rusher, leading all rookies with 14 QB hits. For comparison, Micah Parsons has 13. No, that's not to compare them as players -- Parsons is a potential Defensive MVP -- but it does illustrate that the Rams' number "zero" is anything but.

The Texans' Will Anderson is second among rookies with eight QB hits but has just a single sack as a 40 end. Tuli Tuipulotu of the Chargers has more sacks but is less consistent in pressure. So he's getting an honorable mention while Anderson gets the nod.

Jalen Carter of the Eagles is playing well enough to be a rookie Pro Bowler, even though he's not a starter, usually playing in nickel situations. The Rams' Kobie Turner is the shade tackle. He does so many little things it's hard to explain without using film clips. He's probably the best rookie defensive interior player holding his spot vs. the run and also plays in nickel situations.

The Steelers' Keeanu Benton deserves an honorable mention, as does the Saints' Bryan Bresee. Both show some pass-rush ability.

LINEBACKERS & SECONDARY

The All-Rookie linebackers are Henry To'oTo'o of the Texans and the Lions' Jack Campbell. To'oTo'o needs work on pass coverage (coach DeMeco Ryans says he asks a lot of his linebackers in that area), but he's been good otherwise.

Campbell has been noticeable in coverage and played well enough to quiet critics who chastize teams for drafting an off-the-ball linebacker as high as the Lions took Campbell (18th overall). Ivan Pace of the Vikings should get a mention.

Devon Witherspoon is already a star in the Pacific Northwest, and Brian Branch is a big-time hitter in Motown. In Steeltown, Joey Porter, Jr. is playing well in coverage.

The Patriots' Christian Gonzalez has been as almost as good as Witherspoon, but he's missed a lot of time. Nevertheless, he's shown enough to make this squad.

Safety Jordan Howden of the Saints rounds out the five defensive backs.

SPECIAL TEAMS

The only kick Brandon Aubrey has missed in Dallas is a PAT. He's perfect on field goals, and that includes going three-for-three on kicks of 50 or more yards -- with a long of 58.

To say the kicking game has improved is an understatement. The 28-year-old rookie was named NFC Special Teams Player of the Week for his game against the Rams and was the NFC Special Teams Player of the Month for October.

If you're a punter for this year's Patriots, you going to get a lot of work, and Bryce Baringer has. Only one player has more punts this season. Baringer is tied for first in the NFL in punts inside the 20-yard line and is the only rookie with positive Net Yards Above Average -- a metric the NFL uses to measure the efficiency of punters. 

Broncos' receiver Marvin Mims leads all rookies in return yardage and even has a kickoff return for a touchdown -- something that's hard to do with rules that seemingly eliminate the play.

Jerrick Reed, II (Seahawks) edges Tycen Anderson (Bengals) for the coverage spot. He leads all NFL rookies in solo tackles on special teams.

Christian McCaffrey Bearing Down on Consecutive TD Record—Or Is He?

 By John Turney 
Christian McCaffrey

Last Sunday the 49ers lost to the Cincinnati Bengals 31-17 in Levis Stadium taking their record to 5-3 after a 5-0 start. In the game running back Christian McCaffrey scored a touchdown taking his streak to 17 consecutive games of scoring a touchdown which includes the 2022 NFL Playoffs.

The regular season record is shared by Lenny Moore and LaDainian Tomlinson who each scored in 18 consecutive regular season games. Neither scored a touchdown in their respective playoff games ending the combined record streak—a record that is not acknowledged in the official "NFL Record & Fact Book". 

So, the record does not exist. However, to us that does not matter. If CMC scores tomorrow it will be significant and if the NFL did expand its record book they may include records that have playoff games as part of it.

The NFL has regular season records and postseason records for players, they are not combined which is why the Indianapolis Colts hold the record for most consecutive wins even though they lost in the 2008 NFL Playoffs. The Patriots are second even though they famously lost the Super Bowl in their 16-0 season of 2007.

Oddly for coaches, they do—sorting career wins by "career victories" that include playoff wins which is why they show Bill Belichick second at the beginning of 2023 rather than third. When playoffs are included he surpasses George Halas.

We're not sure why the exception for coaches exists in the official record book when all other statistics are not playoff-inclusive.

Moore scored in three straight games in the 1963 season (then got injured) then scored in every game in 1964 and then ended the streak after he scored a touchdown in Week 1 of the 1965 season.

Tomlinson's streak began in Week 4 of 2004 and ended after Week 5 in 2005. (He sat out the 2004 season finale).

An updated "NFL Record & Fact Book" list would look like this—

Most Consecutive Game Scoring Touchdowns
18    Lenny Moore, Baltimore, 1963-65
        LaDainian Tomlinson, San Diego, 2004-05
14    O.J. Simpson, Buffalo, 1975
                  Christian McCaffrey, San Francisco, 2022-23
13    John Riggins, Washington, 1982-83
                  George Rogers, Washington, 1985-86
                  Jerry Rice, San Francisco, 1986-87
        Todd Gurley, Los Angeles Rams, 2017-18

If there were a record for most consecutive games scoring touchdowns that included playoff games in  the list would look like this—

Most Consecutive Game Scoring Touchdowns, Regular Season and Playoffs
17    Lenny Moore, Baltimore, 1963-65
                  Christian McCaffrey, San Francisco, 2022-23
15    O.J. Simpson, Buffalo, 1975
        John Riggins, Washington, 1982-83
14    Emmitt Smith, Dallas , 1995-96
13    Arian Foster, Houston, 2011-12 
                  Emmitt Smith, Dallas, 1994-95
                  George Rogers, Washington 1985-86

As you can see including playoff games makes a difference. When they are included Tomlinson, Rice and Gurley drop off and Emmitt Smith (twice) and Arian Foster jump on it.