By John Turney
When you see the picks you may be able to see why Vikings fans may not like some of names on list, but I didn't miss kicks that would advance my team in playoffs and didn't sign Brett Favre in 2009 who had, perhaps, the best season of any Viking QB in history.
Matt Birk gets honorable mentions and you could pick any of his Pro Bowl seasons, but we went with Tingelhoff on the strength of his NFLPA Offensive Linemen of the Year Award, in addition to his All-Pro season of 1969. Loudermilk was All-Pro in 1988. Jeff Christy, 1998, also gets an honorable mention for his Pro Bowl season.
Mick Tingelhoff |
Grady Alderman, 1969 (All-Pro), Tim Irwin (1988), and Matt Kalil, 2012 (Pro Bowl) all get an honorable mention at tackle.
Zimmerman |
Ron Yary |
Michael Bennett, 2002, gets an honorable mention for his 1200-yard season and over 5.0 yards per carry. So does Bill Brown, 1964 when he had 16 TDs from scrimmage and Hugh McElhenny, 1961 (Pro Bowl on expansion team).
Moss had two dominant seasons, we went with 1998 with the higher yards per catch. Carter's season was the one where he caught the most touchdowns since that's all he did.
Leaving off Anthony Carter's 1987 season was tough, but given the passing game and rules in the 1970s we went with Gilliam. Carter gets honorable mention. Gene Washington, 1969, Sammy White, 1976, Jerry Reichow, 1961 also get a special mention.
Kyle Rudolph, 2012 (9 TDs) gets and honorable mention at tight end.
How deep does your defensive end legacy have to be to leave off Jim Marshall? Well, Marshall's Second-team All-Pro season of 1969 (14 sacks) ranks fifth. Being true to this exercise we went with Carl Eller's 1969 15-sack season tied for his career high and also had his career high in tackles for loss with ten. He had the most MVP votes of any defensive player that season by AP and UPI, and was the runner-up to Dick Butkus in the NEA NFL MVP vote. In addition, he was the NFLPA NFL Defensive Lineman of the Year for 1969.
Moss had two dominant seasons, we went with 1998 with the higher yards per catch. Carter's season was the one where he caught the most touchdowns since that's all he did.
Leaving off Anthony Carter's 1987 season was tough, but given the passing game and rules in the 1970s we went with Gilliam. Carter gets honorable mention. Gene Washington, 1969, Sammy White, 1976, Jerry Reichow, 1961 also get a special mention.
Kyle Rudolph, 2012 (9 TDs) gets and honorable mention at tight end.
Anthony Carter |
Joey Browner |
Jim Marshall |
Carl Eller |
Alan Page told PFJ, in an interview many years ago, that 1971 was likely not his best season. That he had seasons that were just as good, if not better. He mentioned 1970, 1974, and 1976. Well, 1976 was his career-high in sacks with 18. In 1971 he was the DPOY by AP when he had 42 hurries and nine sacks and was Hell on wheels. However, in 1970 he had 59 tackles (51 solo) with 10½ sacks and seven forced fumbles, 4 passes deflected, and 9 stuffs and was All-Pro. Looking, comparing, and then just making a call, we went with 1970.
Keith Millard was the AP DPOY in 1989 and had 18 sacks and 11 stuffs and an interception. Randle, like Randall McDaniel, has so many good seasons you could pick several and not be wrong. We went with 1997, partly because it was his career-high in sacks, but it was his career-high in stuffs with eight. He also played a lot at RDE on running downs.
It was hard to leave out Henry Thomas, but he gets an honorable mention for 1991 when he was a Pro Bowler, had 70 tackles, 10.5 stuffs and 8.0 sacks. Gary Larsen's 1969 Pro Bowl season when he had 8 sacks. Pat Williams was a Pro Bowler in 2007 and had 62 tackles with 12 of those for losses and we also give both an HM nod. Lance Johnstone is a strong HM at designated pass rusher for 2004, 31 tackles, 11 sacks, and 5 FF and his 2003 season was just as strong.
There were some great linebacker names that got left out, Wally Hilgenberg, Fred McNeil among others, but as looking only at best seasons we had to go with who we thought were the best.
It was hard to leave out Henry Thomas, but he gets an honorable mention for 1991 when he was a Pro Bowler, had 70 tackles, 10.5 stuffs and 8.0 sacks. Gary Larsen's 1969 Pro Bowl season when he had 8 sacks. Pat Williams was a Pro Bowler in 2007 and had 62 tackles with 12 of those for losses and we also give both an HM nod. Lance Johnstone is a strong HM at designated pass rusher for 2004, 31 tackles, 11 sacks, and 5 FF and his 2003 season was just as strong.
Keith Millard |
Matt Blair could have had 1978, 1979, and 1981, so we went with 1981 with his career-high 6 sacks, 12 passes defensed, over 150 tackles, and four blocked kicks. In 1980 he was All-pro but it was not one of his best seasons, but that season may not have had the best OLBer seasons, so he was top of a weaker group, in 1981 he just couldn't beat out rookies like Lawrence Taylor or Hugh Green, but 1981 he was simply great. We chose Blair's 1979 for special teams because it was his career-high in blocked kicks with five, but he had two other seasons with four blocked kicks/punts. He may be best-ever in that skill.
Ed McDaniel had 18.5run /pass stuffs plus a career-high in sacks with 4.5 in 1995, and in our view it was one of the best unknown seasons for an OLBer in history. Mike Merriweather's 1989 was special as well, over 90 tackles lots of stuffs and six forced fumbles set it apart.
In 1998 Dwayne Rudd had 93 tackles and two 'scoop and scores' and two sacks. He leads a list of honorable mentions. Jesse Solomon, 1988, Wally Hilgenberg, 1973 (Second-team All-NFC), Carlos Jenkins, 1992 (2 defensive TDs), Fred McNeill, 1978 (6 FR and 2 INT) are also HMs. At MLB Jack Del Rio gets a nod for his 1992 season.
Ed McDaniel had 18.5
In 1998 Dwayne Rudd had 93 tackles and two 'scoop and scores' and two sacks. He leads a list of honorable mentions. Jesse Solomon, 1988, Wally Hilgenberg, 1973 (Second-team All-NFC), Carlos Jenkins, 1992 (2 defensive TDs), Fred McNeill, 1978 (6 FR and 2 INT) are also HMs. At MLB Jack Del Rio gets a nod for his 1992 season.
Krause's only consensus All-Pro season with the Vikings was 1975 when he had 1o interceptions . Browner's top strong safety season was 1990, but he had a couple others close, but overall, 1990 was the best. The corners were chosen in a combination of interceptions and All-Pro honors. Though good, they are not quite at the level of the safeties.
At CB our HMs are Ed Sharockman, 1964 (All-Conference) and Anthony Parker, 1994 (3 defensive TDs). The safety HMs are Robert Griffith, 2000, Karl Kassulke, 1970, Todd Scott, 1992, Pro Bowlers all.
At CB our HMs are Ed Sharockman, 1964 (All-Conference) and Anthony Parker, 1994 (3 defensive TDs). The safety HMs are Robert Griffith, 2000, Karl Kassulke, 1970, Todd Scott, 1992, Pro Bowlers all.
We could have gone with Fred Cox's 1969 All-pro season, but Anderson and Walsh were also First-team All-Pros, but they also have a bittersweet taste in Viking fans' mouths for obvious reasons. But what must be remembered is they were a big part of the reason Vikings advanced as far as they did those seasons (though we went with 2012 for Walsh). They had great seasons and were (are) excellent kickers. Jan Stenerud's 1984 season was considered as well, give him and Cox honorable mention.
Berger and Kluwe take the top spot with astrong honorable mention for Bobby Walden's 1964 season when he had 41.6 net punting average . Greg Coleman led the NFC in net average (36.5) in 1983 and for that, he also gets an honorable mention.
Berger and Kluwe take the top spot with a
Returners were given a lot of weight on how many TDs they scored, but in this case, they als0 had great yards per return statistics. From this, it looks like recent Vikings return game is in good hands and feet.
The HM kick returners are Koren Robinson, 2005, and David Palmer,1998. Our PR HMs are Leo Lewis, 1987, and Mewelde Moore, 2006.
Browner and Blair are the special teamers, Blair for his amazing ability to block kicks. Honorable mention goes to Bill Brown in 1974 when he was still going downfield and covering kicks and busting wedges. Heath Farwell is an honorable mention for his 2009 season.
The HM kick returners are Koren Robinson, 2005, and David Palmer,1998. Our PR HMs are Leo Lewis, 1987, and Mewelde Moore, 2006.
Browner and Blair are the special teamers, Blair for his amazing ability to block kicks. Honorable mention goes to Bill Brown in 1974 when he was still going downfield and covering kicks and busting wedges. Heath Farwell is an honorable mention for his 2009 season.
Okay, now for the quarterback. How can you argue against Favre's 2009? One game short of Super Bowl like Cunningham's 1998 and Culpepper's 2000? Favre had 33 TDs and only seven interceptions, the lowest interception percentage of any starting Viking in history. He also has some amazing games and throws that were for the storybooks. Favre's 107.2 passer rating was second-best in the Viking annals behind Duante Culpepper's 2004 season. Cullpepper , in 2000, threw for 33 touchdowns and ran for seven for a total of 40 touchdowns. How many QBs in NFL history have two 40-plus touchdown seasons? Culpepper has 2.
We also considered Joe Kapp's 1969season. He only threw for 19 touchdowns, but the Vikings didn't throw much. Those 19 touchdowns accounted for 8% of his throws, the most in Viking history for qualifiers. He also got some MVP support.
Randall Cunningham got a lot of MVP/Offensive Player of the Year support in 1998 with his 34 touchdown passes and 106.0 passer rating. It was, though a disappointment in the NFC Championship game, a fantastic season.
Also considered was Warren Moon's 1995 season with 33 touchdowns and 4,228 yards but the team record knocked that one out.
Finally, we looked at Fran Tarkenton's seasons, and there were several. We went with 1975 when he was a consensus MVP. True, the stats don't measure to the more recent players, but it was 1975 with different rules and 14 game seasons. He was a consensus MVP and All-Pro. We went with him. You think we'd go with Favre? No way.
In the end, it was (1) 1975 Tarkenton, (2) 1998 Cunningham (3) Favre, 2009, (4) 2000 Culpepper (5) Kapp, 1969, (6) Culpepper, 2004 and (7) 1995 Moon and numbers 3-7 all get an honorable mention.
No arguments with your selections, John. I'll add honorable mentions to Dave Osborn's 1967 season (second in rushing yards to Leroy Kelly), Gene Washington's 1969 season (21.1 ypg and 9 TDs) and Paul Flatley's 1963 and 1965 seasons, even though he made his only Pro Bowl in 1966.
ReplyDeleteIt's hard to believe that Paul Krause was only a consensus all-pro once in his brilliant Vikings career. I know he has a reputation of being a "soft" player but I don't know how deserving of that he is. All I know is that he was a tremendous ballhawk, the best of all time if you go by the numbers, and he was the glue of a secondary, made up mostly of no-names, that was virtually impenetrable for 10 years, beginning immediately after his acquisition in 1968. It's a damn shame that he and other Vikings, like Mick and Carl, had to wait a ridiculous length of time to be inducted into Canton because of their Super Bowl losses.
It's tough to dispute any of the selections. Personally, I'd rank Culpepper's 2004 season higher but I doubt that it would be high enough to crack the top 2. He was unreal that season and probably would have been MVP if Manning wasn't more unreal. I might have Lance Johnstone as one of the DPRs. It felt like whenever he was on the field he left it after a sack.
ReplyDeleteFair comments. Only thing holding Culpepper's 2004 season back was the 8-8 record. Lance Jonstone was probably a better choice than Griffen and Holloway. Good call.
DeleteDolemans 4 sacks vs. Munoz caught my eye. I was a tad young to remember that game but youtube has it. Out of curiosity I forwarded through the game and found Dolemans 4 sacks.
ReplyDelete1st sack - Boomer takes a dirt nap and Doleman is first on the scene.
https://youtu.be/IG1ssYj3gqc?t=3405
2nd sack - Doleman takes on the back and RG, Boomer throws an inc but it is booked as a sack. Announcers have a laugh.
https://youtu.be/IG1ssYj3gqc?t=6963
3rd sack - Hurry up offense is going on, no replay to watch again. Doleman appears to legit beat Munoz on the inside
https://youtu.be/IG1ssYj3gqc?t=7383
Munoz injury, misses a play
https://youtu.be/IG1ssYj3gqc?t=8493
4th sack - Doleman too fast for the TE trying to solo him
https://youtu.be/IG1ssYj3gqc?t=9286
Munoz looks to have given up the third sack, and I guess the first once since Doleman was first after Boomer falling down, but the 3rd and 4th look like they would be assigned elsewhere.
Doleman looks like he would have still lead the league in stats that year by .5 even without the gift sack.
That is great information. Appreciate it. I like it when there is visual proof to something. Well done.
DeleteAt 70 years old.Been a Vikings fan all my life.I always will be.GO VIKES
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