Saturday, March 2, 2024

Top Players in the 1960-ish to 1980-ish Era Not Yet in the Pro Football Hall of Fame

By John Turney 
After picking teams of Hall-of-Fame worthy players not enshrined from the NFL's first 40 years (1920-40 and 1940-60), I'm ready to take the next step. I'm picking my third two-decade team of Hall-of-Fame outsiders, and it's the toughest exercise yet.

That's because it covers roughly a 20-year period, 1960-80, that spans an era with a new league (the American Football League) and expanding rosters. So what? So that limited spots in each class of the newly created Pro Football Hall of Fame, with an inevitable result: A lot of qualified candidates were omitted.

Well, now it's time to address them, and I will.

As before, I'm not fussy about a player's career fitting exactly in the time frame of 1960-1980. If someone played a few years before 1960 ... or his career extended into the 1980s ... I'm not concerned. They can be included if the majority of their pro football experience was in the 1960s and 1970s.

If you want, we can call it the "1960-ish-to-1980-ish" team.

And, no, not all the players listed are definitively Hall-of-Fame worthy. Some position groups are stronger than others. But as you will see, there are plenty of deserving candidates who check boxes that voters traditionally value -- All-Pro honors, statistics, rings, intangibles and the "eye test."

In addition, I factored in conversations I've had over the years with writers like Paul Zimmerman, John Steadman and Will McDonough, plus people like the late Mike Giddings, Sr., of Proscout, Inc., as well as interviews with former NFL players, many of whom are in the Hall of Fame..

Ready? Me, too. Let's get started.

OFFENSE

CENTER
First-team—Len Hauss
Second-team—Jeff Van Note

No, Hauss was never the best center in pro football during his career. That was usually someone like Jim Otto, Mick Tingelhoff or Jim Langer. But few remember Hauss' consistency. While he may not have been the best, he was always in the top five.

By what measure? In his 14 seasons, he was first-or second-team All-Pro, first-or-second-team All-Conference and/or a Pro Bowl selection 11 times. Granted, his highest honor was first-team on the player's All-Pro team (NEA), but he was second on the AP or PFWA team a handful of seasons.

He never missed a game and started his final 194 -- impressive for a guy who was 6-foot-2 and 235 pounds.

Van Note's 18-year career spanned 1969-86, so his career bleeds into the next decade the most of anyone here. But he belongs in this era even though, like Hauss, he was never the best in the league. But he often was in the upper tier.

GUARDS
First-team—Bob Kuechenberg and Ed White

This is the loaded position for this period.

Let's start with Jim Ray Smith. His career overlaps the 1950s, but he best fits here and is vastly underrated. Though many ardent football fans would have a tough time identifying him, Smith was a four-time All-Pro (three consensus) for some very good Cleveland Browns teams. He's an honorable mention. 

You can throw John Niland into the mix, too, as an honorable mention. He was a six-time Pro Bowler for some great Cowboys' teams. Two AFL guards -- Walt Sweeney and Ed Budde -- could fit here, as well. They went to a combined 16 AFL All-Star Games/Pro Bowls. But I put them on my second-team.

Then there's Doug Wilkerson, the longtime Chargers' stalwart. He could pull, move people in front of him and was a great pass protector. He played for a poor team in the 1970s and didn't get much recognition until the Air Coryell Chargers. Had "Baby Huey" (a nickname given him because of his unnatural strength) played for a contender, he'd have been a 10-time Pro Bowler.

It was difficult leaving Wilkerson out of the top two, but, in the end, I ranked him third-best of this group.

So the two picks are Bob Kuechenberg and Ed White. Their careers extended into the 1980s, but they're most closely tied to what I am calling the NFL's third vicennial. Neither player brought home a surfeit of "alls," though they had some. What they had, however, was the respect of their peers. "Kooch" was the prototype for Hall-of-Famers John Hannah and Joe DeLamielleure, with the two identifying him as the model for how to play guard in the NFL.

White was the classic strongman, often participating in made-for-TV strength competitions and NFLPA arm wrestling contests. Plus. he was versatile. Both he and Kuechenberg could ... and did ... move to offensive tackle when asked to fill in for injured players.

TACKLES.
First-team—George Kunz and Jim Tyrer

George Kunz is the top tackle not in Canton from this era. He was elite for a team that was anything but -- the Atlanta Falcons -- then was traded to the Colts where he was part of their 1975-77 resurgence before injuries took their toll.

The other tackle is an odd and tragic case. Chiefs' tackle Jim Tyrer is not in the Hall of Fame because of a 1980 murder/suicide when he took his own life and that of his wife. Their deaths shocked an NFL world decades removed from understanding CTE and its connection to severe depression.

Tyrer's children and his wife's parents have since forgiven him, but the seniors committee has not. Nevertheless, if we're talking about his resume ... and only his resume ... it's beyond reproach.

Russ Washington was a 6-foot-7, 300-plus-pounder overshadowed by Kunz and Hall-of-Fame tackles of the 1970s. But he was the biggest and possibly most athletic individual among all of them. At least, he was according to Jack Youngblood.

Dick Schafrath was a Browns' left tackle, a three-time All-Pro and six-time Pro Bowler who blocked for the immortal Jim Brown.

TIGHT END
First-team—Fred Arbanas
Second-team—Russ Francis

Hard to find one. You pick.

Perhaps converted outside receiver Pete Retzlaff? Maybe. Or how about Russ Francis? He's the one who could play. OK. But does his career spill too far into the 1980s to qualify? 


I'm not sure, either, but Fred Arbanas is my pick. He was among one of the best-ever blockers at his position and was the tight end on the All-Time AFL team. So I'll go with him.

After looking at guys like Riley Odoms, Raymond Chester and others, the runner-up is Francis based on what he did in the 1970s. I'd love to see him play today, as he'd be a cross between Travis Kelce and George Kittle.

QUARTERBACK.
First-team—Ken Anderson
Second-team—Jack Kemp

There were a few candidates, but. in the end, Ken Anderson edges Jack Kemp, Roman Gabriel and John Brodie. His career bled into the 1980s, but I think of him as a 1970s' player ... even though his MVP season was 1981.

Kemp did not have great passing stats, but he has two AFL championship rings. And Gabriel and Brodie? They get honorable mentions. They had good stats, and each had an NFL MVP to their credit. But, in the final analysis, winning is an important measure for a quarterback, and Kemp got it done. Others did not.

RUNNING BACKS
First-team—Chuck Foreman and Larry Brown
Second-team—Abner Haynes and Lydell Mitchell

Larry Brown was an MVP and ran tough, carrying Washington to the 1972 NFC title. The Vikings' Chuck Foreman and his spin move were terrific, but his five Pro Bowls are what get your attention. They're tied for the most of any back from this era not in Canton. 

Foreman was often in the mix as the NFL or NFC Player-of-the-Year Award. He was a 1,000-yard rushing back who consistently challenged for the league lead in pass receptions and was one of the first backs to become a bigger part of pro football's passing game.

The 1960 AFL Player of the Year, Abner Haynes, was one of the top players in the younger league for its first five years. I paired him with Lydell Mitchell, who played mostly for the Colts, as my second-team choice. 

Of all the running backs from 1960-80 not in the Hall of Fame, Mitchell has the most rushing yards and the most yards from scrimmage. Also, among non-HOF running backs, he caught the most passes. I bet you didn't know that.

WIDE RECEIVERS
First-team—Del Shofner and Harold Jackson
Second-team—Art Powell and Otis Taylor

Del Shofner's career began in the late 1950s, but his top years were in the 1960s. The tall, slender Texan was a five-time consensus All-Pro, more than all but Jerry Rice, Don Hutson, and Lance Alworth.

So, who should line up opposite Shofner? Otis Taylor? Art Powell? Lionel Taylor? How about Harold Jackson?

You've read that he led the NFL in the 1970s in receptions, receiving yards, and touchdown receptions, but you can expand that "peak" to include one year of the 1960s and two years of the 1980s -- 1969-81. In those 13 seasons, the diminutive Jackson led the NFL in those same three categories -- catches, yards, scores -- and was fifth in yards per catch.

Not many receivers from his era were that productive in all major categories for that long a period.

Art Powell, the Hall-of-Fame senior finalist voted down for the Hall's Class of 2024, and Otis Taylor are my second-teamers.

DEFENSE
ENDS
First-team—Rich Jackson and Earl Faison
Second-team—L.C. Greenwood and Jim Katcavage

Another deep position with two who had short careers with high peaks -- Rich Jackson and Earl Faison -- and two who excelled on great teams -- L.C. Greenwood of the 1970s' Steelers and Jim Katcavage, who was part of the Sam Huff-led Giants.

My picks are with the high-peak guys, Jackson and Faison.

Jackson was a favorite of Paul "Dr. Z" Zimmerman, who in 1991 first wrote about his Hall-worthiness in Sports Illustrated, the year Zimmerman joined the Hall's board of selectors. 

"Tombstone" Jackson's knock was not his skills. Those were legendary; it was his lack of longevity -- playing just seven seasons but healthy for only 4-1/2. 

Like Tombstone, Earl "Tree" Faison had a short career. With Jackson, damaged knees failed him; with Faison, it was an injured back that ended his career. He was a four-time All-AFL player in six seasons, and, though regarded as one of the strongest players in pro football, he ran a 4.8 40.

Greenwood was a second-team all-decade choice of the 1970s and a six-time Pro Bowler. His sack total was not as high as some of his contemporaries, but he passed the eye test. Whenever you saw him, he was pressuring quarterbacks. Plus, he played his best in the biggest games, turning in two of the greatest performances by any defensive end in a Super Bowl in IX and X.

Katcavage had some monster years in the early 1960s. 

TACKLES
First-team—Tom Sestak and Roger Brown
Second-team—Larry Brooks and Ernie Ladd

Like Jackson and Faison, Tom Sestak is another AFl defensive lineman who had a short career but a super-high peak.

The Bills' star was somewhat of a cross between Bob Lilly and Merlin Olsen -- bigger and probably stronger than Lilly and quicker than Olsen -- but his seven-year career excluded him from any realistic chance for the Hall. That's not true today, but Sestak's name was long out of consideration when others with short careers (Ken Easley, Terrell Davis and Tony Boselli) were enshrined.

Roger Brown was dominant at times, and, at 300-ish pounds, was one of the biggest defensive tackles of the era with great quickness. He went to six Pro Bowls, and recent research shows he produced double-digit sacks four times.

The other second-team tackle on my team is the L.A. Rams' Larry Brooks, who received some sort of "all" every year from 1974-80 except one. That was 1975 when he missed half the season with a knee injury.

Ernie Ladd is next in line. When "The Big Cat" turned it on, he was elite. He teamed with Faison on the Chargers defensive line -- dubbed "The Fearsome Foursome" before that moniker stuck with the Los Angeles Rams.

The problem with Ladd was that he didn't always "turn it on". At 6-feet-9 inches and over 300 pounds (listed at 290, but he was closer to 315 or more), he could've been one of the best ever.

MIDDLE LINEBACKER
First-team—Tommy Nobis
Second-team—Bill Bergey

Tommy Nobis beat his brains out for a lot of years in Atlanta and won little thanks for his troubles. Nevertheless, he's been close to Hall election more than once as a senior and still has a shot.

He's followed by Bill Bergey who was a play-making machine. He ended his career with 27 interceptions and 21 fumble recoveries.

I'd be remiss if I didn't name Lee Roy Jordan as an honorable-mention choice. His career total of 32 interceptions is impressive for a middle linebacker.

OUTSIDE LINEBACKERS
First-team—Maxie Baughan and Larry Grantham
Second-team—Mike Stratton and Joe Fortunato

First and foremost is Maxie Baughan. He was a smart player who was a nine-time Pro Bowler and earned a NFL championship ring as a rookie.

The AFL's answer to Baughan is Larry Grantham. The man simply made big plays -- with tackles for losses, interceptions, fumble recoveries and quarterback sacks. He was either first-or-second-team All-AFL or chosen to the AFL All-Star Game in every year of the AFL's existence. Plus, he was on the AFL's All-Time team (second-team).

Mike Stratton and Joe Fortunato also have solid cases. Stratton was a top AFL linebacker for years and joined Grantham on the AFL's second All-Time team. Fortunato's career began in the mid-1950s, so he straddles eras. But he has plenty of All-Pro creds, with most of them coming in the 1960s.

CORNERBACKS
First-team—Lemar Parrish and Abe Woodson
Second-team—Dave Grayson and Pat Fischer

Lemar Parrish went to seven Pro Bowls as a cornerback (and one as a returner) and was rated so highly by George Allen that opponents avoided him. The other pick is Abe Woodson who was similar to Parrish. A great cover guy who could return kicks.

Dave Grayson and Pat Fischer are next. Grayson was also an elite safety in addition to being an All-AFL corner. Fischer played 17 years and picked off 56 passes.

SAFETIES
First-team—Eddie Meador and Jimmy Patton
Second-team—Jake Scott and Dick Anderson

The Rams' Eddie Meador finally is getting some support from the seniors committee and might be in line as one of its three finalists in 2025. Good. He should be. Meanwhile, Jimmy Patton is largely forgotten, but he shouldn't be. He was a five-time All-Pro with the N.Y. Giants. If you count just AP All-Pro teams, only Jack Christiansen (six) and Johnny Robinson (six) had more. 

Then there's this: Patton had as many as Ronnie Lott, Ed Reed and Larry Wilson. Think about that for a minute. All three were first-ballot choices.

The Dolphins' safety duo of Dick Anderson (1973 AP NFL Defensive Player of the Year) and Jake Scott are the second-team choices. They were ballhawks and excellent tacklers.

KICKERS
First-team—Jim Bakken
Second-team—Garo Yepremian

The late Rupert Patrick, a member of the Pro Football Researchers Association, wrote a book entitled, "A Statistical History of Pro Football", and in it, he developed a metric that allowed for the comparison of kickers across eras. The website Pro Football Perspective did something similar, and both identified -- more or less-- the same kickers as standing out statistically above their peers.

Using those analytics, plus the postseason honors of relevant kickers, I settled on the Cardinals' Jim Bakken as my first-team kicker over Garo Yepremian. Bakken has the additional credential as a clutch kicker, especially in the mid-1970s when the "Cardiac Cards" were squeaking out comeback victories.

PUNTERS
First-team—Bobby Joe Green
Second-team—Jerrel Wilson

Bobby Joe Green and Jerrel Wilson are two of the best punters in this era, but, contrary to conventional wisdom, my pick is Green.

"But Wilson was an All-time AFL!" I can hear you say. "He led the AFL or NFL in punting five times. How is he second to Bobby Joe Green?"

Here's how: Green's net punting average was higher. The difference between his gross average and net average was smaller (often a key metric), and he had fewer punts blocked and fewer returned for touchdowns.

No, not all blocked kicks or returns are the punter's fault, but when you dig into the subject you find that some consistently were better at avoiding those super-negative plays than others. So that, combined with a higher net, means that Green was the better strategic punter.

I know, Wilson excelled when the Chiefs were a good team. But much of Green's career occurred after the Bears tailed off so dramatically that they became one of the worst teams in the league. So, it makes sense that he didn't gain the notoriety of the Chiefs' strong-legged thumper.

RETURNERS
Second-team—none

There's no way to separate Billy "White Shoes" Johnson or Rick Upchurch. You can look at their stats, their film, their all-decade selections or All-Pros/Pro Bowls.

It's a tie. 

Look closely, and you should find (as I did) that their cases cannot be divorced. So they're not. There are two first-team returners, with no one on the second team.

20 comments:

  1. Thanks for another great read, John!
    I was especially delighted to see Abner Haynes, Maxie Baughn and Jerrel Wilson on your list.

    Also, whole-heartedly agree with you regarding Jim Tyrer... given what we now know about CTE his exclusion seems to be something of an NFL-denial.

    Where do you rank 3 Time All-Pro Forrest Blue on your list of Centers?
    He's always been near the top of my list (for that time period) and am wondering about your opinion...

    Best,

    J.

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    1. ....superb list John, only addition would be in safety category, with Jerry Norton, big play defender, solid tackler, and outstanding punter.

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  2. Thank you for keeping this series going. Guard and Cornerback are the deepest positions especially when Bobby Boyd, Cornell Green and Louis Wright can't even make the list on the cornerback side.

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    1. Louis Wright---I kicked him to the 1980-98 group -- not sure if that is right or wrong -- I am not always consistent with that ... but he will be in next psot ... Boyd and Green, yeah, I looked at them, also Erich Barnes and others.

      As far as leaving guys out, yeah, it happens but at some point you don't want to write a book for every article just to make sure everyone get's mentioned.

      No one will every be pleased with any list. I just do th best I can to get some responses.

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  3. From Brian wolf ...

    Great team as usual ... I might have been more partial towards some other players but its close. Arbanas was the better blocker but Jerry Smith was the better receiver, though I look at him more as a wide receiver than tight end. His stats suffered somewhat once Kilmer came aboard, who liked to throw to the backs more than Jurgensen did.

    I like Bob DeMarco slightly over Van Note and feel Bob Young was just as good as White without the accolades but its real close. As much as I like Washington, he got even better in the 80s, so I would choose Leon Gray for this time period.

    Pat Fischer was a hell of a player and competitor but I would take Bobby Boyd slightly over him, who helped evolve the famous Baltimore Zone.

    I can understand Nobis being the pick at MLB and he might have been more instinctive than Bergey, Lee Roy Jordan or Mike Curtis but the last two, especially Curtis, were clutch in postseason play.

    I understand the returners but feel Timmy Brown had more of an overrall impact as a team weapon on gamedays and deserves a mention if not spot.

    Great call on the safeties ... though senior committtee members may feel Anderson/Scott didnt have the longevity to make the Hall, the Dolphins wouldnt have went to three consecutive SB games without their clutch play, especially in postseason.



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  4. There were maybe 10-15 guys I could have mentioned but even though space is unlimited, people's attention isn't so posts have to be limited in reading time -- Clark wants them to be readable.

    I tend to want to cover everything ... but it's just unworkable so, as a result, lots of guys got left out.

    As far as who I picked, anyone can pick their own teams and it would be just as valid as mine. It's just my opinion which is no more valid than anyone else's.




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    1. Who others you left out?

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    2. Are you looking for someone specific ... centers, guards, receivers linebacker, corner ... all had guys that were right there

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  5. I am interested in your opinion of Forrest Blue...

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    1. I asked a formr Colts player ... he just said Blue could not beat out Mendenhall ... he was a big center for the era (coverted tackle) but never kept up in Baltimore with what he did in SF. He wasn't injured... interesting career arc.

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  6. "short career" problem is a problem.....that said, at this peak, Tombstone Jackson as you point out was as dominant as any DE in history.....simply unstoppable....great list (as usual) John

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  7. Here’s a player that’s massively overlooked: Steve Wisniewski. Guard with the Raiders. 8 time All Pro. Yes, you read that right. 8 times he was named either First team or second team All Pro. Unbelievable that’s he not in the Hall

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    1. He;s in the 1980-2000 era ... will be in next article.

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  8. Wisniewski isn't a hall of famer in my opinion. Not strong enough on drive blocking but pass protection was good. He is hall of very good.

    I was watching a 79 game between rams and chargers and Russ washington shut down jack youngblood. I was shocked how dominant washington was.

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    1. Have 79 game on film. Have JY with 2 knockdowns and 1 pressure. Rams blitzed opposite side a lot that game ... where his assignment was to just occupy Washington. They'd also run T-E and E-T games ... so JY doubled most passing snaps. But --- to your point on the maybe 5-6-7 times it was RW vs JY you'd have to say RW won most of them.

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    2. John was your version of the game more complete than this one? This one is missing opening series on defense for Rams and maybe two other plays.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQbFGzzr8pY

      Come to think of it you are right that Youngblood seemed like he just wanted occupy Washingtons attention at times. On one of Jacks qb knockdowns I think Fouts completes a long corner pattern to Joiner. Not much production from Jack this game though against the run unless he had some production on missing plays I'm not seeing.

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    3. Yes, I have the entire all-22 defense for that game, though the first series is damaged due to film degradation.

      And I agree, Washington would have the upper hand, but Youngblood made a couple of tackles, one missed tackle, in run game, and I cannot remember what happened on all the knockdowns ... but I can look

      here is 1st Q
      1st Q, 12 pass plays, 4 were blitzes, assigment to occupy, 6 double teams with T&G or T&RB -- 2 hurries and 1 QB knockdown for 3 total pressures ... I was probably two stringent when I first watched ... 1 pressue a short completion, 1 an incompletions knockdown forced checkdown by Cromwell missed a tackle and got 19 yards.

      1 holing called on Washington in run game (no way it would be a hold today)

      After that, you'd have to say RW did better
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    4. I saw the play you were talking about - yes, I think I can add that as a knockdown ... but it was a gainer ... Dr. Z prob wouldn't agree, but it's how John Levra and also PFF do it.

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  9. This article brings back memories of the great series of articles you did in 2018/19 ranking the top all-time players at each position. It's been almost five years, any idea when you might update the list of all-time players? Thanks!

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