Thursday, July 17, 2025

State Your Case: Is Ndamukong Suh Destined for Pro Football Hall?

By John Turney 
"Retired Ndamukong Suh was a dirty player. He's also a Hall of Famer." 

That was the headline last weekend to a USA Today story written by NFL columnist Mike Freeman after the former defensive lineman announced his retirement ... and, while it's a provocative opinion, it's one shared by others.

In fact, shortly after Suh's announcement Saturday that he's "stepping away with peace and gratitude" from the NFL,  some media and social media accounts echoed the same thing. But Freeman went beyond simply promoting him for Canton; he dug deeper, noting that a guy who did the dirty work along with the dirty play should be rewarded.

Suh's next journey, he concluded, "should include a trip to Canton."

Ok, so that's his opinion. But is he right? Is the second overall pick in the 2010 draft -- someone who was an All-Pro as a rookie and the Defensive Rookie of the Year -- destined for a Gold Jacket?

Let's see.

When you look at Suh, it started with his stance. It was perfect. Balanced, back flat. It never varied. And that was similar to his play. Textbook, the kind of technique and skill-set coaches loved -- little dancing, take on the blocker. His strength became obvious, and the opponents who said that Suh was dirty also acknowledged that he was a load.

But he was an atypical pass rusher, nothing like Aaron Donald or some others who played the three-technique -- the rushing defensive-tackle position. Suh was mostly the left defensive tackle -- so, depending on the line call, he would play both a "shade" technique (on a center) as well as the three-technique (outside shoulder of the guard).

And that matters. 

Suh's position required him to be a complete player, not someone who could line up on the outside shoulder of a guard, penetrate for a sack or tackle for a loss. He was someone who had to do more -- hold the point, escape blocks and create pressure from the interior. In some sense, he was a throwback to Hall-of-Famers like Mean Joe Greene or Merlin Olsen -- sack creators, pushing the pocket so the edges could swoop in and take a quarterback down.

There is room in the Hall for such players, no?

Plus, there's the fact that he was durable. He never missed a game because of injury. Granted, he missed a couple because of a suspension (there is that "dirty-play" issue again) and in his final season, he played just eight games. But he was signed late by the Eagles, so the games he missed happened when he wasn't on the roster. Suh simply answered the bell for 199 games. 

In his 13-year career, the 6-4, 315-pound former Nebraska All-American made 603 tackles (73 of them were run-or-pass stuffs) and 71-1/2 sacks. That's a total of 144-1/2 plays behind the line of scrimmage. That's not all. He was also credited with 647 total pressures, per the analytics site Pro Football Focus (PFF). In the PFF era (2006 to present), that has Suh ranked seventh among defensive interiors.

But those are the positive stats, and there are plenty more of them. On the flip side, however, during his career (including playoffs) he was flagged 115 times, with 102 accepted, including 17 in 2015 (two declined). If you're asking if that's a lot, the answer is yes. No other defensive lineman is close. 

But it's not as if they were all flagrant. About one-third of those penalties were major, while 61 were offside or neutral zone infractions -- mistakes he committed while giving maximum effort or getting a jump on the ball. That said, his errors did cost his team. He had 33 penalties that resulted in opponents' first downs. 

Again, you ask: Is that a lot? Again, yes, it is. Since 1999, when the NFL stats site NFLGSIS began tracking penalties, no defensive lineman had more penalties that resulted in first downs. However, it was close. Hall-of-Fame defensive end Jason Taylor "gave up" 31 first downs. But if you add the three he committed in the two years before the NFL made the stat official -- in other words, Taylor's first two years in the NFL -- he'd have one more than Suh.

Not only that, but the Patriots' Richard Seymour, another Hall of Famer, committed penalties that awarded opponents 29 first downs. So, while Suh has the most officially, it's not as if he's in a universe all his own. There were at least a couple of decorated defensive linemen who did similar things.

Then again, Suh was what he was. Let's not sugarcoat it. Taylor and Seymour didn't rack up the 15-yarders that Suh did.  But let's also remember that, despite his transgressions, his peers still voted him to the Pro Bowl five times, and the NFL media voted him consensus All-Pro three times. 

Quick question: What Hall-of-Fame defensive tackles were consensus All-Pro three times in their careers? Oh, just Joe Greene. Art Donovan and Dan Hampton. And who was consensus All-Pro fewer than three times? Guys like Ernie Stautner, Cortez Kennedy, Steve McMichael, Joe Klecko, Bryant Young and Curley Culp -- all of whom are in Canton.

After that, add the rest of his end-of-season accolades -- first-team All-NFL in 2011 (The Sporting News) and two additional second-team All-Pro seasons from AP and one All-AFC (PFWA), and you have someone who was "in the money" the first seven seasons of his career. Correction: Eight, if you throw in PFF, which chose its own independent All-Pro teams.

How does that compare? Eight of the 21 Hall-of-Fame defensive interiors have more and 13 fewer. It puts Suh right there in the middle of the "alls" collected among the best-ever defensive tackles. One thing is for sure: If All-Pro teams are your primary factor in determining Hall-worthiness, Suh has the goods.

Now let's talk sacks.

Recently published sack data is interesting because some of the greats we're talking about didn't have a lot of sacks, producing about as many as Suh's career total. They are Joe Greene, Joe Klecko, Buck Buchanan, Curley Culp and Cortez Kennedy. Then there are others in the 80-or-90-sack range. 

The point? A review of the data shows that sacks aren't all that important to tackles, with Hall-of-Famers like Alan Page and John Randle the exceptions, not the rule. And there's a reason. 

"You have got to have someone crack the pocket,"  said Merlin Olsen.

That's what Suh did, no matter where he played.

"His numbers are not always there," former Pro Bowl defensive tackle Gerald McCoy said, "but his presence is never missed."

Former Dolphins' edge rusher Andre Branch agreed.

"You can't look at stats when it comes to Suh," he said,"because he does all the dirty work ... he eats up the blocks."

But there's more -- his style, for instance. It was pure power pushing through opponents, not going around them. Just listen to what his peers said in episodes of the "NFL 100", the annual show that presents a list of top players in the league:

-- "Ndamukong Suh is going to make your life suck for 60 minutes," said Packers' Pro Bowl defensive lineman Mike Daniels, "and that is why I love watching him play --  he runs right through guys."

-- "Any type of solo block, he's going right through your chest," said Pro Bowl guard Larry Warford

-- "Suh is the dominant defensive tackle in the last decade in the NFL," said All-Pro center Jason Kelce. "You feel a certain jolt every time I have played him -- the way he gets off the ball -- few guys have a better pop than Suh."

Still not convinced? Then consult what used to be called the "Bible of NFL Football." I'm talking about Pro Football Weekly, which wrote that "blocking (Suh) with one man is a non-starter and, in addition to absorbing a double-team on almost every play, it's not unusual to see a back joining a double-team and try and keep Suh from collapsing a pocket ... Natural strength and power and non-stop motor. It's almost impossible to find a play on tape where Suh isn't playing to and through the whistle."

In 15 playoff games Suh had seven sacks -- not unlike what a typical season would be for him. But there were times when he made a huge impact. Case in point: While playing for the Los Angeles Rams in 2018, he didn't have one of his best regular seasons while mostly playing out of position. But he made a difference when it mattered. 

His play down the stretch ... and in the postseason ... was vintage Suh, whipping offensive linemen and hitting quarterbacks. Plain and simple: He was dominant. The Rams reached Super Bowl LIII, where their defense held Tom Brady and the Patriots to 13 points. But they lost, mostly because Sean McVay's offense could only muster three points. 

The next time he was in the playoffs was 2020 when he checked the last remaining box to his career. He and his Tampa Bay Buccaneers teammates held Patrick Mahomes to nine points in a 31-9 demolition of the Chiefs in Super Bowl LV. Suh was credited with 1-1/2 of the three sacks of Mahomes. 

There will be other talking points if and when Suh makes the Hall's finalist list, including his name on the 2010s' all-decade team. That will help. So will this: When he was an unrestricted free agent in 2015, Miami liked him enough to award him a $114-million contract -- making him the highest-paid defensive player in NFL history. He became the fifth non-quarterback to receive a contract of at least $100 million, while his $60 million of guaranteed money was a non-quarterback record.

Now back to the question: Are those and the rest of the points I've mentioned enough to be immortalized in Canton? Maybe, but Suh won't be first ballot; he didn't have that kind of career. Plus, the voting process is going to make it tough if it remains the same, while the list of finalists the next five-to-10 years will be stellar. Because he last played in 2022, Suh will be eligible for the Hall's Class of 2028 along with a couple of guys you may know.

Tom Brady and J.J. Watt. 

The year after that, Aaron Donald will be eligible. And in. So will Jason Kelce. In 2030, Zach Martin will suck a lot of oxygen out of the room. As I said ... stellar. Ultimately, though, I think he makes it because he played to the level of Hall of Famers at his position. The resume says so.

But will the bullying, stepping on ankles and cheap shots cost him? You bet. And those are not some off-the-field issues, like those that cause so much controversy for other candidates. It was on the field, and we all saw it. However, Suh did enough great things to mitigate the negative aspects. 

In the final analysis, he will be seen as a dominant defensive tackle who was respected and even feared by those who blocked him ... and worthy of the Pro Football Hall of Fame. 

24 comments:

  1. BW ...

    Great state your case John, and I agree. He will make it but wait awhile. Kevin Williams might as well, though his accolades are better. The jury is out on Fletcher Cox, Geno Atkins and Cameron Heyward, though Heyward wants a championship badly. Could Rodgers as a free agent, help Heyward in producing a fluke championship season similar to Brady with the Bucs in 2020 and Stafford with the Rams in 2021?

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    1. I am torn ... Heyward is best player of those. But if Suh does make it Cox and Atkins have to be strongly considered. Rogers, IMO, is still good but is he really someone who can win a SB?

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    2. BW ...

      Even if not, a ten-win season could bring Rodgers back for 2026.

      Everyone, including PFF, feels Chris Jones should make the HOF but Deforest Buckner for SF and Indy has had an impressive pass rushing career as well.

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  2. oh for crissakes, I GET that PFJ needs content, but this is (almost as) absurd (as the Chris Burford thread). This guy was a run-stuffing DT who is one of the two dirtiest, most penalized players of the 21st century.....wanna compare stats? PFR doesn't mention the (drive-killing) penalties or suspensions that this piece (rightfully!) points out, but let's check apples to apples....Suh is credited with 600 combined career tackles and 392 solos....his contemporary in infamy, Vontaze Burfict (different position I know) actually has more (622 and 407) in almost half the length of career......Brian Wolf's inference that this guy is somehow in Cam Heyward's league is also disproved by the data.....Cam has more post-season accolades (pro bowls, etc.), more sacks, combined and solo tackles, and a distinguished (and ongoing) career....."shade" tackle indeed....the only shade regarding this thug is the suggestion that this bum belongs anywhere near Canton.

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    1. BW ...

      Youre right Jim, Heyward has the better career but since its ongoing and he hasnt done anything in postseason to help win a playoff game, much less go to three SBs like Suh helped his teams do, we will wait awhile before both names are elected ...

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    2. BW ...

      My bad, Heyward actually played well in the loss to the Ravens but the Steelers as usual, cant stop teams in the playoffs.

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  3. oh....and there is a REASON that he had to play for FIVE different teams on 13 years and it sure as hell wasn't his Darrelle Revis negotiating skills in free agency

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    1. BW ...

      Haha ... pretty close Jim. This guy has made some coin and he aint friendly like Jim Marshall. Albert Haynesworth couldnt last but a boy named Suh, could.

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  4. BW ...

    Wow ... I hadnt caught up to the recent articles from TOFTWO but alot of discussion on defensive tackles ...

    --The talk of Suh naturally brought up Kevin Williams who has the accolades but hasnt been elected yet. I knew he was a top run stuffer but didnt realize how good. He batted down alot of passes as well.

    Has Jared Allen and Pat Williams, who could also play nose tackle, help cancel him out with voters? It shouldnt, since stopping the run and penetrating the pocket allowed Allen to mostly focus on rushing the passer. We will see how much credit Allen gives to the "Williams Wall" in his upcoming induction speech. George Bozeka noted that Williams was on the downslide his last five years of his career. Did his play truly drop off enough to influence voters?

    --Glad John mentioned Sestak and Smerlas, former Bills that should be in the HOF. Sestak was key to the Bills three consecutive AFL Championship game appearances, while Smerlas should be the first true HOF representative at nose tackle.

    --Sorry top 10 voter-historians but some of your choices were wrong, haha. Seriously, the choices were solid and represent most NFL historians viewpoints but ...

    How can you have a top 10 tight end list without Jason Witten, who blocked better than most of the people on your list? Gronk was a great pick but Casper was the best. He didnt have a prolific thrower but a guy who trusted him in the clutch. John Madden admitted that he made a mistake not starting Casper sooner. He could have been a difference in the two AFC Championship losses to the Steelers in 74-75. He also could have been the MVP of SB XI.

    Jerry Rice is indeed one of the greatest players of all-time. His work ethic and longevity are unquestioned, but lets be real as well ... he benefitted from rules changes and a HC and QB that mandated he get the ball. If he didnt get passes thrown his way, he was the first diva receiver to let them all know about it, including Seifert and Young, who succeeded Walsh and Montana.

    Walter Payton didnt have the benefit of rules changes. He didnt even have much of a supporting cast but was still the greatest football player that ever played. He never complained even on bad teams that had fans coming out to get drunk and watch a defense that was nasty and borderline illegal. The team changed but he didnt, and finally got his championship. For me, Rice is just slightly ahead of his teammates, Lott and Montana.

    I know, Jim Brown was the most dominant runner but he also dominated over his own team, which helped get his head coach fired. A head coach who was the top head coach of all-time during his first ten years in pro football. Like Bill Belichick with Tom Brady, Paul Brown dominated football with Otto Graham but neither were the same without those QBs. Which is why I rank Don Shula with them. He won over a longer period of time with different teams and QBs. He lost too many huge championship games, which hurts his legacy but his teams were unique in that they had huge winning streaks which threatened(Balt) and surpassed(Miami) and undefeated-perfect season. His teams simply peaked too soon in 1964, 67, 68, 71, and 1984. He lost another playoff game in Oakland in 1974 that he should have won and won an epic playoff game in 1971 that he should have lost.

    I can understand historians leaving off Weeb Ewbank of the Top 10 coaches list but they really shouldnt. Yes, his overrall record was barely .500 ... he built champions from the ground up, but would you really take any of those other coaches against him in a championship game? His team was four minutes away from shutting out a Don Shula team in a SB. He beat a NY Giants team with Lombardi and Landry coaching against him.

    Overrall record or not, he won championships in two different leagues with different HOF QBs. Okay ... haha, nuff said ...



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  5. BW ...

    My last comment was considered too long, so I had to cut if off after mentioning my favorite HC of All-Time ... Weeb Ewbank.

    Hopefully, the editors here will publish the rest of my comment about the historians-voters choices on TOFTWO Top 10 All-time lists.

    I wont go crazy this time. First, the historians underestimated Roger Staubach, who deserves to be in the top six of QBs.

    The guy only missed five years of his PRIME. Unlike most of the top 10 list, he didnt get the benefits of a flak jacket throughout his career, yet never surrendered in any game at any time. Only a team full of HOF players, its HC and owners, kept him from winning four SBs.

    Lance Alworth was a great choice, and undeniable but he also dominated a pass-happy league. So had Art Powell before. Paul Warfield was the ultimate receiving weapon on run-dominated champions. Its no coincidence that these two teams havent won championships, since. Huge plays and TDs off few catches. Imagine if he had the benefits of rules changes like other receivers on the list?

    Thanks for the rants, guys ...

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    1. Brian, I (strongly) suspect that you float these "theories" in order to garner response....(quite possibly "outraged" response)......your love...err....advocacy of early-AFL luminaries like Abner Haynes and Tom Sestak(7 seasons and 90 games) but neither are GAYLE SAYERS borders on parody.....Gerry Philbin is NOT Deacon Jones......it is true that Roger Staubach lost 5 (voluntary) seasos......so (for reasons of which I'm not sure) did Otis Douglas.....if Roger is in your top 6, who is lower? Marino? Elway? Layne? Graham? Bauch? Hightops?......
      with all due respect, I love reading your posts, but the Chris Burford screed suggests that you're not serious about seriously comparing greats to greats........if this is a hand-grenade in your lap, feel free to lob it right back at me....I love an impassioned debate...btw....I do not agree that Weeb is the greatest coach of all time, but I fully agree with you that he is disgracingly underrated

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    2. BW ...

      It is kind of fun getting you worked up Jim. All I said, is that Burford could have had a better career without injuries but like John has pointed out over the years, so could a number of AFL players, including Hennigan, Powell, Philbin and Sestak. Many players peaked after 5-7 years. Yes, the post was comparing Haynes to Sayers and both were spectacular with shorter careers.

      Sorry, but there is no way in a cold hell I am putting Manning, Marino, Rodgers, Baugh and Mahomes ahead of Staubach. I get Baugh's significance and Elway was a bigger, more talented, modern version of him but we can only imagine what he could have done with those prime years he missed. His winning percentage as a starter blows everyone away except for Graham, Brady, and Mahomes and defenses are hand-cuffed in the Mahomes era. Like I said before, imagine if Staubach and Bradshaw had benefit of flak jackets like these other QBs? There is one reason why the Cowboys were called America's Team for better or worse and it wasnt because of Lilly, Landry or Dorsett.

      Youre right, Weeb isnt the greatest HC, but there is no coach I would take in a championship or SB game over him.

      Haha ... you give him a couple weeks to prepare and he could motivate mimes to play tackle football.

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    3. Brian, that is one darned fine if ludicrous post.....I love your passion pertaining to Weeb....I will concede your point about his ability to motivate mimes.....unfortunately, the mimes that he brings into combat would resemble Cumberland-Georgia Tech.....Brian, the reason that a lot of early AFL players got recognition in the "early" AFL is because they weren't good enough to star in the NFL.....Lance Alworth came later.....let's play (my bias): you suggest there are AFL DLs worthy of the HoF? any you would pick before Big Daddy?......
      "Staubach"......jeezushchristonastick.....seriously??....Roger was great....it isn't that he didn't have a pretty good cast around him.....you'd pick him before Baugh or Mahomes?....you are a majority of one.....and the Cowboys were (unfortunately and ridiculously overhyped media darlings before your golden boy.....Dandy Don? Craig Morton?......you know a helluva lot about this game and its history but gimme a break.....Tom Sestak? Charley Hennigan? Chris Burford?.....let me get all worked up (again!) and explain the early AFL to you.....TJ Troup (dropping names is an invalid argument I know...) has seen photos of my library....in it, I have (gifted from a delusional Broncos fan) two retro-1960 season brown and gold striped vertical socks......hey, why you're at at, why not rank Ron Lancaster, Sam Etcheverry, in the top 10? they tore up the CFL once upon a time.......(your turn!!!)....(agreed, it's FUN to rant and rave about stuff that means nothing to us in the real world.....your turn.....

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    4. Brian Wolf.....oh.....i almost forgot....you gotta be friggin' KIDDING me.....Sweetness over Jim Brown?......turn in your "I know something about pro football history" card RIGHT NOW.

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    5. Brian Wolf": Gery Philbin and Chirs Burford indeed....christ

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    6. BW ...

      Only you would collect vertical striped socks from the AFL ... haha

      Lets look at Staubach's supporting cast. Runners were good, but Hayes was past his prime and non-clutch in big games. Golden Richards? Roger helped make Pearson into a HOF player. Tony Hill came late. Butch Johnson had talent but could drop one out of every three passes. Ditka had one foot into retirement. DuPree was good but didnt catch alot of passes. Other high drafted receivers were bombs.

      By 1972, the defense was a shell of itself but rebounded with good young talent by 1976. Mahomes is a great talent with quick feet but would have gotten hit alot more in that era.

      Big Daddy could be dirty on the field like Kong Suh and from what I read, was mean to girls and would put out cigarettes on their skin, Sample and Lyles would witness this sh*t but were too scared to stop him.

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    7. pretty weak sauce, Brian.....everybody knows Daddy started off as a bully in his early Ram days but was "reformed" by the expression on Doak Walker's face in that famous incident.....there is zero relation between Daddy's violent "big kid" picking the opponent up after knocking the (legal) hell out of him and Suh's chriminality....."mean to girls"? hearsay....Gene loved women (heck, married a couple at the same time....I guess we can agree to disagree on Staubach....we agree that he was great....top 6? nope.....we part ways with your suggestion that he heroically dragged the Dallas equivalent of Weeb's feeble mimes to SB glory

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  6. Suh was not that good. Nasty is all. Dobler of the 2000s

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    1. That’s a great take, actually. But that in itself is a form of greatness. Not all greatness looks, acts, smells, or is measured the same.

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    2. well, if I understand it correctly, you infer that a surge to the "bottom" is a form of greatness......Ted Bundy? Green RIver guy?....."great" in their "peculiar" context?

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    3. Bundy? Green River guy?

      You did not understand it correctly.

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    4. Dobler is a surge to the bottom? I thought he was a member of one of the finest offensive lines of the 70s, if not all time. No amount of historical revision, stat counting, or back fit analysis can take that away from him. The observation that Suh shared traits with Dobler is apt, and from my perspective, a compliment.

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  7. Great analysis John. Suh was a wonderful player (and a GREAT college player). Unfortunately his reputation (well deserved) cost his teams and ruined any chances of his being a 1st ballot guy. But I think he'll get in eventually. I read a comment that he was the defensive version of Conrad Dobler, which is insane. Dobler was barely good while Suh was a great college player who missed being a great NFL player by a hair.

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    1. I tend to agree. Suh, IMO, will prove to be borderline ... but if "alls" mean anything in future he should eventually get in ... but just a guess

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