Sunday, January 5, 2020

Everything Old is New Again—A-Gap Pressure Look with Defensive Tackles

By John Turney

The Seahawks beat the Eagles tonight in a fine game. One thing of note was a front the Eagles used to get their only sack. Here it is:
Eagles with both defensive tackles in the A-Gaps or both shading the center
It was interesting because it brought to memory the 1970 Eagles (and others) doing the same thing back in the day. Here is a screenshot of that:
1970 New York Giants at the Eagles
Jets align with both DTs in A-Gaps. 1979
It was nice seeing it, it's not something we see often.

Friday, January 3, 2020

Prediciting the AP All-Pro Team—How'd We Do?

By John Turney
Yesterday we posted our guesses for the AP All-Pro Team. So, how'd we do? We'd say we did okay but did miss some.

Here are the tallies for the "Locks":
We missed on Justin Simmons who was Second-team.

Here are what we termed "probables":
We missed on Hudson (Second-team) and Sherman as the fifth DB. We overthought the edge rushers, but Watt did get First-team as did Jones.

Here are the "Maybes", the hard ones to predict:
We'll take partial credit on the linebackers there. We didn't predict them as much as suggest that they would get mentions. We did miss on the second WR slot, though.

Where we missed the most was on who would get a certain amount of votes, we call that a fail by us. 

Thursday, January 2, 2020

2020 Hall of Fame Final 15 Released

By John Turney
According to the Hall of Fame, "The finalists will be presented to the full 48-member Pro Football Hall of Fame Selection Committee during its annual meeting on Selection Saturday," on Feb. 1, 2020, the day before Super Bowl LIV. The Selection Committee will elect five Modern-Era players for the Class of 2020."

Here are the 15
Troy Polamalu, S—2003-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers
John Lynch, S -- 1993-2003 Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 2004-07 Denver Broncos
Steve Atwater, S -- 1989-1998 Denver Broncos, 1999 New York Jets
LeRoy Butler, S -- 1990-2001 Green Bay Packers
Edgerrin James, RB—1999-2005 Indianapolis Colts, 2006-08 Arizona Cardinals, 2009 Seattle Seahawks
Zach Thomas, LB—1996-2007 Miami Dolphins, 2008 Dallas Cowboys
Sam Mills, LB -- 1986-1994 New Orleans Saints, 1995-97 Carolina Panthers
Bryant Young, DT—1994-2007 San Francisco 49ers
Richard Seymour, DE/DT -- 2001-08 New England Patriots, 2009-2012 Oakland Raiders
Reggie Wayne, WR —2001-2014 Indianapolis Colts
Torry Holt, WR—1999-2008 St. Louis Rams, 2009 Jacksonville JaguarsIsaac Bruce, WR—1994-2007 Los Angeles/St. Louis Rams, 2008-09 San Francisco 49ersSteve Hutchinson, G,—2001-12 Seattle Seahawks, Minnesota Vikings, Tennessee Titans 
Alan FanecaG,—2001-05 Seattle Seahawks, 2006-2011 Minnesota Vikings, 2012 Tennessee Titans
Tony Boselli, T, —1995-2001 Jacksonville Jaguars, 2002 Houston Texans (IR)

Choosing Two Running Backs for All-Pro—A Review of the 1990-98

By John Turney
Sanders loses two All-Pros under purist standards.
The Associated Press (and almost all other All-Pro teams known to man) chose two runnings until 2016 or so. In the mid-1990s they added a fullback, making it a 12-man roster. We have no issue with this, as we mentioned two running backs were the norm and also there is no rule that says only 11 players per platoon is required. Twelve, thirteen, fourteen, whatever is needed to honor the top players.

Previously we've looked at Zach Thomas' five All-Pro selection by the AP and showed all of them were the "second slot". That will certainly help him in any potential Hall of Fame discussion. So, looking at the same kind of thing for running backs could be useful, too.

What if a fullback were added in, say 1990 and at the same time one of the running backs were removed? What if the All-Pro team followed what teams were actually doing?

We go through this exercise to show the purists who, from time to time, pop up on social media saying only one running back should be All-Pro, not two. And we get it—since the 1980s teams moved to one-back sets with either a fullback or H-back to lead the way for the runner. But the 1990s is was standard—fullbacks don't run the ball.

So, year-by-year, who would have been the one running back, matched with a fullback and how would it have changed their "resumes"?

So, who gets cut from the AP All-Pro team each year? We are doing just the quick eyeball test of stats since all were great, great players and show AP voting to see who got the most votes as well.

Obvousily we are not saying we know who would have won the voting at the time (ahistorically) if the voters were forced to choose one runner and one blocker, just showing that regardless of who they picked it would make some difference in career resumes for the borderline HOFers.

(Hat tip to Pro Football Reference for graphics and search engine)
1990
Barry Sanders, Detroit Lions (63 votes)
Thurman Thomas, Buffalo Bills  (58)
Added: Fullback—perhaps Tom Rathman

1991
Thurman Thomas, Buffalo Bills (79)
Barry Sanders, Detroit Lions (79)
Added Fullback—perhaps Daryl Johnston.

1992
Emmitt Smith, Dallas Cowboys (72)
Barry Foster, Pittsburgh Steelers (67)
Added Fullback—perhaps Daryl Johnston or Tom Rathman

1993
Emmitt Smith, Dallas Cowboys (77)
Jerome Bettis, Los Angeles Rams (40)
Added Fullback—perhaps Daryl Johnston or Kevin Turner

1994
Barry Sanders, Detroit Lions (98)
Emmitt Smith, Dallas Cowboys (93)
Added Fullback—perhaps Daryl Johnston or Kevin Turner

1995
Emmitt Smith, Dallas Cowboys (85)
Barry Sanders, Detroit Lions (80)
Added Fullback—perhaps Daryl Johnston or Sam Gash

1996
Terrell Davis, Denver Broncos (86)
Jerome Bettis, Pittsburgh Steelers (50)
Note: Barry Sanders was First-team All-Pro by PFWA and SN making him a tied as a consensus All-Pro and this one data point should end all the "AP-only" schools of thought. 
Fullback: Larry Centers, Arizona Cardinals

1997
Barry Sanders, Detroit Lions (48)
Terrell Davis, Denver Broncos (44)
Fullback:  Mike Alstott, Tampa Bay Buccaneers

1998
Terrell Davis, Denver Broncos (47)
Jamal Anderson, Atlanta Falcons (39)
Fullback:  Mike Alstott, Tampa Bay Buccaneers

So, Barry Sanders loses two AP All-Pro seasons, Jerome Bettis loses both of his, Emmitt Smith and Terrell Davis lose one each as does Jamal Anderson, Barry Foster, and Thurman Thomas.

It would make some difference when evaluating careers, not for the top guys like Smith and Sanders but for Bettis and Davis it might.

Predicting the 2019 AP All-Pro Team

By John Turney
One of our end-of-the-year rituals is trying to peg who the 50 Associated Press voters will choose for their All-Pro team. This isn't who we think should be on the team but who we think will be on it.

Here is our crack at reading the tea leaves this year:

Locks
We think these players will get 35-40 or more votes
WR—Michael Thomas
TE—George Kittle
LT—Ronnie Stanley
LG— Quenton Nelson
QB—Lamar Jackson
RB—Christian McCaffrey


DI—Aaron Donald
CB—Stephon Gilmore

CB—Tre'Davious White
S—Justin Simmons—We picked him last year and this. The rest of the media will discover him this year.
K—Justin Tucker—Josh Lambo had a slightly better year, but Tucker will take the vote. However, maybe he is one who will get less than forty votes.
P—Brett Kern—Another one who we think is a lock, but maybe short of 40 votes. Maybe we should put him in "probables".
KR—Cordarrelle Patterson—Could also fall below 40 votes.
ST—Matthew Slater

Probables
These players will get the slot but will have fewer than 35 votes
C—Rodney Hudson—He's been better in past years, but center is a position where you get some "rep" votes. He was very good, but there were better centers in our view. Jason Kelce will also gets some notes, but there are several players "coming on". So there will be some diversity in the voting.
RT—Ryan RamczykLa'el Collins could challenge as well as Mitchell Schwartz and
RG—Zach Martin-only reason he's not a lock is Brandon Brooks will get plenty of votes. We think Martin is in class by himself but the voting policy (to the extent voters follow it) is to vote for a left guard and a right guard and Brooks is a special player with special physical qualities.
Edge—Wide open, knowing the voters it will likely be TJ Watt over Chandler Jones and Shaq Barrett and Za'Darius Smith. The second slot is harder. Smith and Jones will fight over it and we think Barrett will be fourth in the voting. Cameron Jordan should get some votes, too, as well as Danielle Hunter. Those two 40 ends will make things interesting. All are worthy of All-Pro. We will see who gets it, but we think Watt will score one. After that, it's a maybe.
DI—Cameron Heyward will likely get this slot, but Grady Jarrett will make it interesting and others interior players will get some votes.
S—Jamal Adams. Lots of safeties will get votes (they always do) but we think Adams will take this slot over Budda Baker and Anthony Harris and others.
DB—Richard Sherman. This slot gets lots of candidates every year but our guess is Richard Sherman will take it.
PR—Deonte Harris is our guess, but voting will be varied some.

Maybes 
Impossible to tell
Flex—Could be anyone. McCaffrety will get some votes, Travis Kelce will, too. Derrick Henry and some other running backs. Cooper Kupp should get some as a slot. Too close to tell.
WR—The second slot here is wide open. Chris Godwin is likely the one but it could be Julio Jones as well.
LB—Also wide open. Eric Kendricks will get votes, usual suspects Luke Keuchly and Bobby Wagner will, too. LaVonte David will get some support. Darius Leonard, too. Damario Davis and also newcomers like Fred Warner and Tremaine Edmunds as well. Our best guess is standbys Keuchly and Wagner take the two slots, edging Kendricks, but we could be wrong here. It's a tight race.

So, this is all in fun, but there are always surprises and that enhances the fun.


Wednesday, January 1, 2020

Clarity is Momentum That Has No Resistance In It— 2019 Season, and Wild Card Weekend

By TJ Troup
The above quote sure fits for my closing statements of the season and year. Starting point this morning is a review of an aspect rarely visited—the predictions for the year. Though many publications, will scrutinize both Street & Smith's and Sports Illustrated.

In the July/August issue of SI Connor Orr made his predictions, and he actually hit the nail on the head on six teams benefit of the doubt on the Lions/Cardinals tie). His most impressive pick was easily Dallas going 8-8, and his biggest miss having the Ravens go 5-11.

Orr was way off on a few others, and since I am writing this and did so much better in my predictions, my grade for him (I did not do letter grades as a teacher until they went on the grade sheet) is 18.8% which simply means he needs to either stop making predictions, get some help from someone who actually knows the game, or find a new job.

 Next up the Street & Smith's; and a predicting disaster as they stated emphatically that the Bengals could actually compete for a wild card, and the Ravens would finish 4th in the AFC North. The long list of their failures would read like War & Peace if detailed. They did predict New Orleans, New England and Kansas City as division champions.

Finally former SI writer Andy Benoit in the Pro Football issue got five correct and his most impressive prediction is easily the 'Skins going 3-13. His poorest prediction was having the Chargers at 10-6. Andy no longer works at SI, but Connor does?

How many did Terence Jon Troup have right on the button; 17—and though you may challenge this, that would simply be folly. My most impressive prediction and all the folks that I correspond with will validate is that the 49ers would be the most improved team in the league—did not have them going 13-3 though, had them 9-7 with an outside chance of possibly 10 wins.

My worst prediction is a tie between the Rams & Packers as I was off by three on both. Nailed the entire AFC East on the head (thought it was easy). Did not see the Ravens and Lamar dominating, though after watching him many times here in Louisville; this young man is decisive & accurate (all of us Bill Walsh disciples see these two traits as the most important).

Today is the anniversary of the first AFL and NFL title games that would decide the first two participants in the Super Bowl. My book This Day in Football details both games on page 169 and 170.

The Packers had a strong season as they won the NFC North and defeated all of their division rivals twice. Green Bay since 2002 has a division record of 74-34—wow! WOW! The only other time they went 6-0 in this time period was 2011; and all Packer fans do not want to get beat in the divisional round (they lost to NYG).
Chris Willis and John Turney did a stalwart job of picking the All-Rookie and All-Pro teams, and sure like many of their choices. With all the awards given this year, really believe Tannehill deserves some kind of an award for his performance this year? The Phoenix award as he rose from the ashes, or the "Iron sharpens Iron" award for coming off the scrap heap.

This weekend brings us the Wild Card games, and one of the best stats ever researched. Ok, what stat is that TJ? 50 years and every year since 1970 there has been at least one road winner in the play-offs! You will not hear this on the flawed NFL Network, or CBS, NBC or Fox; since those people believe research is making a fresh pot of coffee.

Was very surprised that the 49ers could go to Minnesota and defeat the Vikings in the cold, yet the road victory that still stays with me (have the game film) was Dallas defeating San Francisco in the last game ever at Kezar.
The visual of Duane Thomas running sweeps over and over again away from Dave Wilcox and attacking Jim Sniadecki will remain with me forever. Every year since at least one road winner; so who is that road winner this year? Would enjoy hearing from you folks who enjoy the Journal. Expect plenty from me in 2020 as my agent has convinced me to take on a statistical research project on the decade of the 1940's.

Plan on doing a story on the most resilient man in the history of pro football (late February for that saga), and in April detailing my favorite champion team of all-time. Hope all of you continue to read us here at the Journal, and HAPPY NEW YEAR.

Sacks, Hits, Knockdowns, Hurries, and Total Pressures—Who is Right?

PERSPECTIVE
By John Turney


"There's battle lines being drawn
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong"
                —Buffalo Springfield


Za'Darius Smith
As we've posted about before there is always confusion when it comes to pressure stats, especially recently. There are analytic website competitors all doing their own thing.

Let's look at Za'Darius Smith who is having a tremendous year. We didn't pick him All-Pro because three other rushbackers (edge rushers) of whatever one wants to call them also had great years. We went with Chandler Jones based on a few factors among them game-changers (forced fumbles) and what he did was with less help than Shaq BarrettTJ Watt, and Smith. However, no choice of any of those four can be 'wrong'.

Some have picked Smith, and that is fine. Among the rationale is that according to some sources his total pressures or disruptions were top in the NFL. And that's fine, too.

But back to pressure stats, here are some examples of the prose and stats from various sources—worthy work by all.





But, did you notice anything? We did, as we always do and have for a long, long time. It's that the hurries and pressures and disruptions are quite varied. All subjective stats are to one degree or another.

So, in terms of our "snubbing" Watt or Smith, maybe, but we DID look at pressure stats, but also we didn't discount sacks and what happens on a sack, the ball can be pulled loose, the clock keeps running, very important near the end of a game, there is loss of yardage.

So, pressures are important. Super important. In 1993 we interview Deacon Jones who said, "I'd rather have 40 pressures and no sacks than 2 sacks and no other pressures. If I am in your ass 40 times, you ain't going to win." And he was right. We've known that even before that interview, but we also don't want to get unbalanced the other way especially with the "accounting methods" that are clearly different from organization to organization.

We think Deacon, of course, was right. We've researched this subject since the 1970s and 80.s The Rams were among the first team to track hurries. The Bears also did some years. The Colts were the first team we saw keep track of them in the late-1950s in the Weeb Ewbank era. So, we are very familiar with this subject. All these other groups are, frankly, Johnny-come-latelys.

So, on with the countdown.

NFLGSIS tracks QB hits and it included sacks—unless you forced a fumble. Then, it's not a "QB hit" and technically that is accurate. However, what is the point of a pass rush? Isn't a forced fumble the ultimate? No, you didn't "hit" the QB but you gave your team a chance at a turnover. It needs to be considered or at least explained.

The same is true for tackles for loss, but that is a story for another day.

Pro Football Focus' total pressures are always higher than everyone else. We don't know how they count them but from Smith to Chris Long to Aaron Donald to JJ Watt they are always an outlier—to the point of being inflated but we cannot say for sure because no one knows what their criteria us for a hurry. They could be the best source.

Football Outsiders' totals are always seam reasonable and match somewhat with my own work, but they don't come out until they release their almanac every Summer.

Next Gen Stats say they use chips and monitors to track the stat. Per the Next Gen Stats glossary, disruptions are the combined total of hurries, pressures or sacks  Pressures register when the defender gets within 2 yards of the quarterback at pass forward or sack. Hurries register when the defender gets within 1.5 yards of the quarterback at any moment between snap and pass forward or sack. So a hurry and pressure can happen on the same play but "a player can only be credited with 1 hurry (or pressure/sack) per play" according to Next Gen Stats.

We believe them, their numbers seem reasonable, but where can you get them? You can only pick up snippets here and there.

ESPN Sports and Information is also a subscription service but one can find stats in ESPN posts. We have partial information for Smith—61 "total pressures".

Sportsradar's data is found at Pro Football Reference. Their numbers seem to be more in line with Football Outsiders—they are not inflated and they are accessible without a subscription.

Then there is Stats, LLC, who has a ton of stuff behind a hugely expensive paywall. Some of it is available at some free sites, so you can get hurries from them.

Some teams keep this data and put it in their weekly Game Releases. The Packers used to, but now they don't or we'd have an eighth source for 'pressure' stats.

So, who is right? No one. Who is wrong? No one. It's judgment calls on hits, hurries, pressures, and disruptions.