Monday, April 4, 2016

1985-1995 All-Mid-Decade Teams

OPINION
By John Turney

A couple of weeks ago we chose a  2005-2015 All-Mid-Decade Teams and a 1995-2005 team to represent the best players from that era, realizing that just an All-Decade team that began in 1960, 1970, 1980, etc., was a bit arbitrary.

Now, here is our 1985-1995 All-Decade team:

Now THIS is the 10-year span that Jerry Rice, Reggie White, Bruce Smith, Gary Zimmerman and others just dominated in. Lots of star power here.
Reggie White
Anthony Munoz was All-Pro almost every year from 1985-90, but tailed off, but his "Alls" 
were just too many to ignore. The same is true of Randall McDaniel who is a clear 1990s choice, but 
he just didn't do enough to vault over Matthews and Munchak for the 1985-95 team.

It is good to see a Lomas Brown, a 7-time Pro Bowler get some notice. Ray Donaldson, 
Dermotti Dawson (who got 1990s) honors and Nate Newton fit very well, too and get honorable 
mentions. As do Chris Hinton and Mike Kenn of Atlanta who was very, very highly rated by 
Pro Scout, Inc.from 1989-93.

The center position was neck-and-neck. It could go either way in our view. The guards 
on the First-team were simple but they had a gap between those on the Second-team. Tom 
Newberry is an honorable mention at guard, just losing out to Fralic.

The quarterback position was difficult, leaving Jim Kelly off, but looking at stats, MVPs, etc., he was just short of Marino and Elway. Joe Montana would also be very viable here, as well.

Picking a quarterback for the All-Pro voters is an art, we imagine. Voters look at the statisticssure, but also the team success. They also may scour locker rooms for quotes to buttress who they will pick, seeking for "intangibles". Most seasons, especially when all the All-Pro teams are seen as a group, the AP, PFWA, NEA, SN, and so on, they get it right, likely taking in all available data and putting a name on the ballot.

Well, an All-Decade team has to be done in a similar way and statistics are not the only thing, but they are something. All-Pro selections within that decade are something, but not everything. Team success cannot be the only thing or a Dan Marino or Jim Kelly will always get "dinged". So, it is a mix of things, we believe, more art than science.

So, if, for example, we leave Montana out due to his injuries in 1991 and 1992 remember it's more of an art for us as well. No one is really right or wrong and because of that if other organizations would follow suit then a consensus could be built. We add this paragraph only because there was some deep talent at quarterback from the mid-1980s to the mid-1990s. Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham, Boomer Esiason and others were at their peak and some worthy players will simply lose out to a numbers game.
John Elway
The running backs were interesting in that they were late-comers, Thomas in 1988 and Sanders in 1989. But for this decade Sanders was the top rusher. It's one of those where he was just All-Pro too much to just keep him in the 1990s. Emmitt Smith was close, too. Even Eric Dickerson, an 1980s All-Decade performer, was still very high in yards rushing.
Roger Craig
You see Herschel Walker, yes, you do. Walker was second only to Thurman Thomas in yards from scrimmage from 1985-95. Roger Craig had his best season (1988) and his 1,000/1,000 yard season (1985) in this span and he gets the edge over Dickerson, Marcus Allen and Emmitt Smith.
Barry Sanders
Sterling Sharpe is one of those 'What could have beens" if not for injury. As it was, he was a terrific receiver and touchdown machine. Ellard began to come into his own in 1985 and was productive for a long time. Gary Clark and Irving Fryar are honorable mentions.
Mark Bavaro
Another tight spot was tight end and in addition to the two we chose, Steve  Jordan, Rodney Holman, and especially Brent Jones and Jay Novacek were right there and any could have been picked
Bruce Smith
The four defensive ends are chalk. Though we feel like we need to reserve a wild card position for Charles Haley. He split his time between rusherbacker and defensive end. There is no room at end and others who played almost the entire decade at rushbacker leave him out there, too. Charles Mann, who had several "blue" seasons as per Pro Scout, Inc. is the sole honorable mention at DE.

Ray Childress was a 3-4 DE for his first five years, but always played left defensive tackle in the nickel. Starting in 1990 he was a full-time LDT when the Oilers changed schemes to a 4-3. Michael Dean Perry likely has the most stuffs of any player in this 10-year span. Krumrie was a sideline-to -sideline nose tackle, and was effective, though you may have to slide his "decade" to 1984-93. Jerry Ball was All-Pro often enough and like Perry, had some big seasons in the "stuff department".
Tim Krumrie
Steve McMichael is an honorable mention, he was more steady than some but his peak wasn't what the four in front of him were. Dan Saleaumua should get a plug, as well along with Henry "Hank" Thomas, who we think should have been at least Second-team on the 1990s team.

Keith Millard would have had one DT spot, but the knee injury in 1990 ended that prospect. From 1985-89 he was THE best defensive tackle, in our view. But, he is not the only tragedy among interior linemen. Jerome Brown was really getting it going before a car accident took his life. In 1989 he had a 65-tackle, 10.5 sack and 17.0 stuff season. THEN he was All-Pro the next two seasons before he was taken too early. So he, with Millard and Sharpe and others are in the "only if" category.

We so wanted to go with 2 ILbers and 3 OLBers but decided to keep teams to units of eleven. As such, the competition is hot and heavy. Singeltary had his two DPOY seasons (1985 and 1988) here, so we couldn't leave him out. Sam Mills's mid-decade would be 1986-96 and he was the top ILBer for the whole span. But leaving out players like Chris Spielman, Karl Mecklenburg, Pepper Johnson, and John Offerdahl (talk about a forgotten warrior).
Mike Singletary
Mecklenburg, in fact, deserves a wild card spot, like Charles Haley. Not many players can be an inside linebacker on run downs, then convert to defensive end in the nickel. Bryan Cox has done it, Brian Urlacher did it as a rookie, Charlie Clemens of the Saints did it in 2000. Mecklenberg did it from 1985-94. It's a tough skill set to have.
Pat Swilling
We chose one "complete" linebacker and one "rushbacker". Wilbur Marshall was so good in 1985, his first season as a starter and then got better. Carl Banks was a dominant SAM backer. As far as rush backers, Lawrence Taylor would still fit here, but even he'd tell you his football was played pre-1991. We went with Swilling by the narrow margin of his DPOY in 1991 over Kevin Greene, who had more sacks (story of Greene's career, huh?).
Wilbur Marshall
Carl Banks


Players we like as honorable mentions for OLBer are Greg Lloyd, Darryl Talley, Seth Joyner, Cornelius Bennett, the aforementioned L.T. and Ricky Jackson are honorable mention rushbackers.
Albert Lewis/
Green was in his prime in this period, as was Albert Lewis, just a fine, fine corner as as good an edge rusher on kick blocks as we've ever seen. Deion Sanders, who would be on everyone's 1990s Decade team, and Rod Woodson, too, will have to settle for Second-team selections in this Mid-Decade team.

Ronnie Lott was simple choice and the other three were a bit ahead of the others in terms of All-Pro selections and statistics. Browner and McDonald and Fulcher would take turns as All-Pro strong safeties. During this era it seemed there were more strong safeties than free safeties, but Wes Hopkins's 1984-93 is an honorable mention sd s free safety. Dennis Smith is, too, as a strong safety.

We looked at the kicking percentages and distance and these were the top 2 kickers of this decade. The top net punters got the nod. The return men who got noticed were the ones who took it to the house the most. 
Stebe Tasker
Reyna Thompson and Elbert Shelley were the honorable mentions behind the bomb-squad choices of Tasker and Wolfley.

Agree or disagree? Post in comment section below and tell us where we got it wrong.

2 comments:

  1. 1. I agree with you when you chose Elway over Montana (I presume). Joe wasn't that great from 1985-87 (he was hurt for some of 86, and benefited from playing some scab games in 87). Then, he had his peak in this time period from 88-90, but then missed the most of the next two years. Also, before retiring in 1995, he didn't post great numbers in his two years in Kansas City.

    2. Roger Craig? He was nothing from 1990-95. Heck, by 89, he was starting to decline. The Niners let him go a year too late. Emmitt Smith should be in his place.

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  2. On Roger Craig over Smith. Smith wasn't elible in the sense that he was a 1990s guy. For a better explanation see the 1965-75 team when people like Gale Sayers and OJ Simpson were excluded from that team, though, like Smith they had the honors and stats, etc. We were trying to honor the guys pf the mid-decades AMAP. But, I get your point, but to follow your argument, which is a good one, OJ Simpson would be on the 1965-75 team as would Gale Sayers, maybe even John Mackey, Lance Alworth, Herb Adderly, etc. Again, look at the 1965-75 team

    In an excercise such as this, it's not always cut and dried. As for Craig, it was his 1984-89 years, his peak, that mattered to us.

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