Saturday, May 21, 2016

1965-1975 All-Mid-Decade Teams

OPINION
By John Turney

A couple of months ago we chose a  2005-2015 All-Mid-Decade Teams and a 1995-2005 team  as well as  1985-95 and 1975-85  to represent the best players from that era, realizing that just an All-Decade team that began in 1960, 1970, 1980, etc., was a bit arbitrary.

Now, here is our 1965-1975 All-Decade team:

Centers were easy, though both Otto and Tingelhoff got most of their honors in the 1960s, they were still excellent players into the early to mid-1970s.  Bob DeMarco, Jon Morris, Len Hauss,  and Forrest Blue get a mention due to their own honors (which were hard to come by with Otto and Tingelhoff in the league at the same time). Blue was a steady All-Pro with the 49ers then after he left, then nothing. A curious career.
Jim Otto
Mick Tingelhoff
Tom Mack and Gene Upshaw lead a large group of guards of which several could be Second-team selections over our choices of Budde and Sweeney. Among them (all honorable mentions) are Gene Hickerson, Larry Little, and Gale Gillingham. In fact Little, though mostly associated with the 1970s did start in the 1960s and was good. But his impact was in the 1970s.

Gene Upshaw
The tackle position has good players, but it wasn't as deep as the guards. Tyrer and Brown (1964-73 is his "decade") are the top two tackles. Ralph Neeley had to move to left tackle to make way for Rayfield Wright and that interrupted his string of All-Pro selections but he was still solid on the left side after being All-Pro on the right. Winston Hill gets the other Second-team slot over Charlie Cowan, who is an honorable mention as is Ernie McMillan and Norm Evans. Hill, Cowan and McMillian both played left- and right tackle in their careers and were honored at both.
Jim Tyrer
Bob "Boomer" Brown
Winston Hill
Jerry Smith is an honorable mention behind Jackie Smith is an honorable mention behind Jackie Smith and Charlie Sanders.

For both 1965-74 and 1966-75 Fran Tarkenton is the most honored (though by a small margin) and has the most passing statistics in terms of yards, completions, touchdowns, and wins. Namath gets the Second-team pick due to his impact, skill set and Super Bowl win. Honorable mentions are many: Roman Gabriel, John Brodie,  Bob Griese, John Hadl, Len Dawson and Sonny Jurgensen. Gabriel was close to Tarkenton in wins and in passing statistics, he also was an MVP. He's the first runner-up.

Namath, Gabriel, Tarkenton
Brodie was All-Pro in 1965 and 1970 and was an MVP in 1970. Griese came a bit later but was a Super Bowl winning quarterback as was Dawson, though he and Jurgensen were winding down and sharing playing time in the early-1970s. 

Kelly and Little are the RBs with Csonka and Brown behind them, It should be noted that the carryover from the 1960s talent affected the selections here. Running back is a good example. From the floating decade we use (anything from 1964-73 to 1965-74 or 1966-75) Gale Sayers is All-Pro the most (Five times). More than any of our four selections. Next is O.J. Simpson with four All-Pro selections. From 1966-75 Simpson is the leading rusher with over 8200 yards. From 1965-74 he is second. Thus, it could be argued that Sayers and Simpson could be the picks for this team. However, we chose to put players with shorter careers into the decade they most fit and the 1960s fit Sayers and the 1970s fit Simpson. 
Leroy Kelly
Floyd Little
Larry Csonka
Larry Brown
In fact John Mackey, Lance Alworth, Don Maynard, Herb Adderley, Dick LeBeau, Johnny Robinson
and Larry Wilson and others are qualified for this team in terms of years of service and honors. But they are so ensconced in 1960s lore that we really felt they were 1960s players even though they have several years in the 1970s. None had overly long careers like a Mel Hein that would fit with putting them on two All-Decade teams in a row. So, if folks object, please comment. It was a tough decision, but the purpose of this excercise is to recognize the players who were overall the best in the 10-year periods we've designated. However, we would love to hear opposing views.

Charley Taylor and Paul Warfield are the top WRs. We feel like Taylor fits here and not on the 1960s teams he often chosen for. Fred Belitnikoff is in the same boat in our view. Bob Hayes and Otis Taylor tied for the last spot. 
Charley Taylor
Fred Belitnikoff
Bob Hayes
Paul Warfield

Deacon Jones and Eller were the top honors guys. Jones had most sacks. Eller had 86 sacks from 1965-74 and 86½ from 1966-75. He was All-NFC in 1975 so his decade is the latter. Second-team is Paul Zimmerman's favorite, Rich "Tombstone" Jackson. He had a short career due to a late start and a severe knee injury. He only had 43½ sacks in this decade, but was considered, in his prime a top run defender and excellent pass rusher. He was part of a great run defense in 1970 with the Broncos who also sacked the QB 50 times. He was All-AFL in 1968-69 and All-Pro in 1970 and All-AFC in 1971. 

Carl Eller
Deacon Jones
Claude Humphrey edged our Gerry Philbin (short career), Bubba Smith (short career) and Verlon Biggs (93½ sacks from 1965-74). Humphrey began late (1968) and missed 1975 with an injury but we felt his impact early qualified him for this team. However, he would likely be a Second-team selection for the 1970s as well.  We also give Bill Stanfill and Ron McDole and honorable mention as well.
Rich Jackson
Bubba Smith
This is were Olsen and Lilly fit. Not the 1970s when they both were on the Official All-Decade Team. They also fir in the 1960s as well. Buck Buchanan was in his prime here, too. We tied Page and Greene, and they would 100% be the tackles for any 1970s team, too. Their impact was pretty amazing in the early 1970s. Manny Fernandez, who played both end and tackle, is an honorable mention.
Bob Lilly
Merlin Olsen
Buck Buchanan
Joe Greene
Alan Page
Again, this is THE Butkus decade. When some pundits take and "AP only" approach to awards we always point to Butkus. When the AP Defensive Player of the Year award is listed in an article as the only DPOY Award we ask "How many times did Butkus win it?". Answer: Zero. It wasn't created until 1972. But, Butkus did win two NEA Defensive MVP Awards (1969 and 1970). To us, that ends the "AP only" school of thought on All-Pros and Awards. 


Backing up Butkus is Willie Lanier and honorable mentions Tommy Nobis, Nick Buoniconti and Lee Roy Jordan. Mike Curtis is also an honorable mention. Curtis was an excellent middle linebacker and outside linebacker and was honored at both positions, like Renfro and Green.

Bobby Bell is similar to Butkus in that this is his "decade". We pair him with Chuck Howley.  Backing them up is a trio of Hall of Famers: Dave Wilcox, Chris Hanburger and Dave Robinson. Honorable mentions are Andy Russell and George Webster.
Bobby Bell
Chuck Howley
Dave Wilcox
Willie Bown and Jimmy Johnson are the top corners followed very closely by Lem Barney
and Emmitt Thomas. Pat Fischer is an honorable mention.
Willie Brown
Jimmy Johnson
Lem Barney
Emmitt Thomas
Ken Houston and Paul Krause are the safeties. Dick Anderson backs up Houston at strong safety. Renfro was a safety from 1964-69. Then, he was a very fine cornerback from 1970 though the rest of his career. We put him at safety. It was either that or put Cornell Green (who switched positions with Renfro) who got honors at both positions, as did Renfro. Carl Lockhart is an honorable mention at safety.
Ken Houston
Paul Krause
Dick Anderson
Mel Renfro
Stenerud fits here (as he does in a few decades) and Jim Bakken is next in honors and kicking percentages.  Bakken beat out Jim Turner, Fred Cox, and Don Cockroft who were right on Bakken's tail in terms of percentages and honors. George Blanda, though he didn't have the kicking numbers as the others was a clutch kicker and his kicking prowess, in part, was why he won the 1970 AFC Player of the Year Awards. He gets an honorable mention and it could be argued he deserves the Second-team slot over Bakken.
Jan Stenerud
Jim Turner, honorable mention
Wilson and Lee were the top punters, though they seemed to have quite a few punts blocked.
Jerrel Wilson

Return men were based mostly on touchdowns and average since All-Pro teams rarely recognized return men in this era. Alvin Haymond is our special teams demon. He was the head of the Rams "Haymond's Headhunters" featured on the cover of Life magazine in 1971. Ceasar Belser was also an excellent bomb squad man.

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4 comments:

  1. Good selections, John. You fully explained any questions I may have had.

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  2. Thank you for giving Chuck Howley some much deserved recognition. That guy should have been in the HoF a long time ago.

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  3. This is great stuff! The only thing that jumps out at me is why no mention of Ron Yary? He seems to have fallen off the earth in terms of recognition. Hew as all-pro every year 70-77 and a unanimous pick (either all-NFL or all-conference) in 6 of those years!
    Are you guys going to do traditional all-decade teams?

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    1. We will liekly reoly on the combinded all decade teams we posted, there is one forthe 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s,

      http://nflfootballjournal.blogspot.com/2016/03/combined-1950s-all-decade-team.html

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