By John Turney
Doug Atkins, Bill Hewitt, Deacon Jones*, Gino Marchetti*, Lee Roy Selmon, Bruce Smith, Reggie White
These are Finalists that did not make it: Willie Davis, Carl Eller, Len Ford, Howie Long, Julius Peppers, Andy Robustelli, Michael Strahan, DeMarcus Ware, J.J. Watt, Jack Youngblood
*Denotes unanimous selection.
Bill Hewitt was also a surprise but we've noted before that there is not tons of data about him. There is some film but not much. So, we really don't have a comment on his selection.
Atkins, though, there is lots of film and lots of data available. If the Blue Ribbon Committee choosing the All-Time team availed itself of that information we cannot say.
For one, it took Atkins a long time to secure a starting job (he started 29 of a possible 60 games in his first five years due to injuries and inconsistent play). He was not able to get along with Paul Brown in Cleveland and was shipped to the Bears where he was a part-time starter for a couple of years.
Finally, in 1957 (Year four) he began to establish himself as a great player. He was First-team All-Pro in 1960, 1961, and 1963, but 1963 was his only consensus All-Pro season. He was Second-team All-Pro seven times, though, so there is that.
It just seems odd that Atkins couldn't beat out Willie Davis for First-team All-Decade in the 1960s and couldn't beat him out for most of the All-Pro slots in the 1960s (Davis was a five-time First-team All-Pro in the 1960s). So what new info has come out in the 50 or more years that vaulted Atkins over Davis? It's a headscratcher for sure.
In fact, Jack Youngblood, Carl Eller, Michael Strahan, and JJ Watt all got more All-Pro honors than Atkins and those honors include various Defensive Player of the Year awards.
So color us a bit surprised that Atkins beat out several players that were honored more, won more, and in some cases had better stats.
Of course, Atkins is an All-Time great, a legitimate Hall of Famer and though we will be criticized for this, it is not a criticism of his greatness. It's simply a deeper dive into information (film study, stats, honors, intangibles, testimonials, etc) as a way to separate the best of the best. Greater scrutiny is needed.
Atkins had rare size for his era (or any era) and was very athletic and we think perhaps the player personnel aspect of his career was given greater weight than his production. He was a wonder—good speed, great natural strength, and amazing leaping ability. All those things helped him in his pass rush. He was like Marchetti (a grabber and thrower) in terms of style, only he played the right end most of this career (he played some left end early in his career with both the Browns and the Bears).
Nonetheless, we don't see him as a top-seven end. We'd rank him from 13-15.
Put my comment on the wrong thread.ReplyDelete
John, was Selmon that great against the run, or was he a dominant 3-4 end ?
I thought Davis, Strahan or Youngblood would be in this list, especially with Willie Davis's postseasons.
selmon had great "base" he was always in good knee bent postion, but he was great versus the run. I think Davis, Strahan, Youngblood and even Eller > AtkinsDelete
Graded selmon in many games. He was phenomenal against run. Good for at least 3 solo run stops per game.ReplyDelete
I read in Jerry Kramer's book, that he thought Eller was great, even with bad knees, and this was in the 60s ! Eller must have been cut blocked alot due to his height, but I bet he tipped alot of passes also.ReplyDelete
LOL. You are clueless on the greatness of Doug Atkins.ReplyDelete
Whatched dozens of full games. Know his game, know his good stuff, and the bad.Delete
Pretty sure my film study showed the truth more than from nbooks and magazines